]ANSWERED] Lionel 6-1976 (TCA Bicentennial Special #2)

Paul,

Product of this vintage is not on the website.  It can be found in this document, which used to be downloadable but is no more:

Your locomotive is on pages 1-47, 1-48, and 1-49.

The cars are on page 6-15.

Follow this link for more info on the document and follow-on service supplements:

   Lionel Service Supplements (9/15/22) | gunrunnerjohn

Good luck.  Let us know how you make out.

Mike

@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:

Paul,

Product of this vintage is not on the website.  It can be found in this document, which used to be downloadable but is no more:

Your locomotive is on pages 1-47, 1-48, and 1-49.

The cars are on page 6-15.

Follow this link for more info on the document and follow-on service supplements:

   Lionel Service Supplements (9/15/22) | gunrunnerjohn

Good luck.  Let us know how you make out.

Mike

Appreciate the response.

I had already downloaded the 3-part file and converted it into one big PDF.

I did find the loco on pages 1-47 thu 1-49,, but the item on page 6-15 is a box car; not the illuminated passenger cars.

Looking at the table of contents looks like the passenger cars are in the 12- section? But not sure which one(s) they are. Haven't unpacked the set yet to see if there's any markings on the passenger cars.

@paulp575 posted:

...the item on page 6-15 is a box car; not the illuminated passenger cars...

The cars are not covered. After this production run, the tooling was destroyed. Careful examination of the cars will show that most parts can be found in the 2400 section of the postwar service documentation. Although they were originally to be made identical to the postwar versions, there were some parts that had to be sourced from the Fundimensions parts bins, two that come to mind are the lights, and the wheels, serving from memory.

The supplements are still there, but hidden. Change the number on the end of this url to 2,3,4 etc

https://www.lionelsupport.com/Support Service Documents/1Complete.pdf

@ed h posted:

The supplements are still there, but hidden. Change the number on the end of this url to 2,3,4 etc

https://www.lionelsupport.com/Support Service Documents/1Complete.pdf

I think we're looking at the same document, but different versions.

I have the individual supplements (40 in total) as well as the complete documents as one PDF (1688 pages) that I downloaded as 3 separate parts, but running the exe file combined it into this one large PDF..

@ADCX Rob posted:

The cars are not covered. After this production run, the tooling was destroyed. Careful examination of the cars will show that most parts can be found in the 2400 section of the postwar service documentation. Although they were originally to be made identical to the postwar versions, there were some parts that had to be sourced from the Fundimensions parts bins, two that come to mind are the lights, and the wheels, serving from memory.

I looked as the S24 pages and it's not there.

I also just checked the actual cars to see if I could find any numbers; none.

@ed h posted:

The supplements are still there, but hidden. Change the number on the end of this url to 2,3,4 etc

https://www.lionelsupport.com/Support Service Documents/1Complete.pdf

Ed,

Thanks for finding the hidden link(s).

You've made my day.

Mike

@paulp575 posted:

I looked as the S24 pages and it's not there.

I also just checked the actual cars to see if I could find any numbers; none.

Most parts can be found in the 2400 section of the postwar service documentation... each car has 1 488-1 Light Coupler Truck with blue painted side frames, the two coaches each have a 487-1 Coupler truck with blue painted side frames, and the observation has a 489-1 Plain Truck with blue painted side frames. The wheels and axles on all of these trucks have instead of the postwar axles & wheels the Fundimensions 9050-54 fast angle wheelsets. The tooling for the lights could not be found in time either, and each car has two 8352-320 2 wire lampsockets with 8352-300 14 volt lamps, wired in parallel(a departure from the postwar lamps that were wired in series). They are mounted on (2) 2400-11 frames and (1) 2401-30 frame(observation).

The bodies were made with the original postwar tooling but were not assigned part numbers, they would likely have been 1973-2, 1974-2, and 1975-2 if following postwar convention. The blue roofs as well would have been (1) 1973-4 roof and (2) 1974-4 roofs... reflecting the first use of the roof on a given model.

@ADCX Rob posted:

Most parts can be found in the 2400 section of the postwar service documentation... each car has 1 488-1 Light Coupler Truck with blue painted side frames, the two coaches each have a 487-1 Coupler truck with blue painted side frames, and the observation has a 489-1 Plain Truck with blue painted side frames. The wheels and axles on all of these trucks have instead of the postwar axles & wheels the Fundimensions 9050-54 fast angle wheelsets. The tooling for the lights could not be found in time either, and each car has two 8352-320 2 wire lampsockets with 8352-300 14 volt lamps, wired in parallel(a departure from the postwar lamps that were wired in series). They are mounted on (2) 2400-11 frames and (1) 2401-30 frame(observation).

The bodies were made with the original postwar tooling but were not assigned part numbers, they would likely have been 1973-2, 1974-2, and 1975-2 if following postwar convention. The blue roofs as well would have been (1) 1973-4 roof and (2) 1974-4 roofs... reflecting the first use of the roof on a given model.

@ADCX Rob - Thanks for that info.

Greatly appreciated.