Guys,
As usual, I looked for inspiration here and I got it...... Many thanks!I am truly sad about the demise of those two units especially the way in which they met their end being carved up and cannibalized like that! It was a sad story indeed, to bad that they weren't preserved for future generations......Oh well, in life you have to have mistakes made in order not to repeat them I suppose....
My question to all of you is, there seem to be quite a few versions of the MRH.How many are there?
Milwaukee even used a open air observation car like this in the summer in the Cascades. They ran tell the war. With electric powered motors pulling the train passengers didn't have to worry about smoke or cinders. I made this one out of a old passenger car kit and highly modified it. Don 
yes, but you have yours behind a steamer! poor passengers.
It just being moved by a 0-6-0 for the next Hiawatha over the mountain.
Don
Don
My favorite Hiawatha loco is the F7. I have the Weaver 2 rail. However, I'm running the Weaver cars which were ptototypical to the Atlantic.
Did any builder make the F7 cars in 2 rail?
Did any builder make the F7 cars in 2 rail?
Yes, Walthers kits. Very hard to find the set but there's a unbuilt set on E-bay now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIAWAT...c04e76#ht_500wt_1335
Don
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIAWAT...c04e76#ht_500wt_1335
Don
quote:Originally posted by Ted Tully:
My favorite Hiawatha loco is the F7. I have the Weaver 2 rail. However, I'm running the Weaver cars which were ptototypical to the Atlantic.
Did any builder make the F7 cars in 2 rail?
If you are talking about the F7 4-6-4, Weaver did the cars in 2-rail as well as 3-rail. They are pretty hard to find in 2-rail, but not impossible. There's a picture of them behind an MTH F7 in my post near the top of this thread. Weaver has made all three sets of steam-era Hiawatha cars, in both 2-rail and 3-rail. If the F7 you are talking about is the FP-7 diesel, the Walthers kit cars Don mentions above would be correct.
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Forrest,
Out West Don's right. Milwaukee had a single mainline (with sidings), through the Rockies and Cascades. As you may know the Milwaukee Road was always about to go broke and I imagine constructing double tracks, including double wide tunnels, through those western mountains would have been cost prohibitive.
However, in the highly competitive corridor between Chicago and the Twin Cities, I believe I'm correct in saying that The Milwaukee Road was the only railroad to operate double tracked mainlines the full length of that corridor. In fact, for years the Road's double tracked mainline between Chicago and the Twin Cites was a key part of Milwaukee's advertizing for its Hiawatha trains. Since both the Morning and Afternoon Hiawatha trains departed the Chicago and Minneapolis passenger stations at approximately the same time each morning and each afternoon, the Milwaukee's double tracked mainline played a critical role in allowing The Milwaukee Road to maintaining its high-speed Hiawatha train schedule between the two cities. Essentially, neither the northbound nor the southbound Hiawatha trains had to switch onto a siding and wait for the other to pass before proceeding on their way. Instead, twice daily the two Hiawatha trains flashed by each other on the double tracked route.
Bob
quote:Originally posted by Forrest Jerome:quote:I plan on still having a single line but with sidings for other trains to pass.
scale, with the extra room, why stay with a single main line? is that what the Milwaukee mostly had? the passing sidings will make for some fun ops (make sure they are long enough!), but it is always nice to be able to have a couple of trains running and just sit back and enjoy without worrying about meets.
Forrest,
Out West Don's right. Milwaukee had a single mainline (with sidings), through the Rockies and Cascades. As you may know the Milwaukee Road was always about to go broke and I imagine constructing double tracks, including double wide tunnels, through those western mountains would have been cost prohibitive.
However, in the highly competitive corridor between Chicago and the Twin Cities, I believe I'm correct in saying that The Milwaukee Road was the only railroad to operate double tracked mainlines the full length of that corridor. In fact, for years the Road's double tracked mainline between Chicago and the Twin Cites was a key part of Milwaukee's advertizing for its Hiawatha trains. Since both the Morning and Afternoon Hiawatha trains departed the Chicago and Minneapolis passenger stations at approximately the same time each morning and each afternoon, the Milwaukee's double tracked mainline played a critical role in allowing The Milwaukee Road to maintaining its high-speed Hiawatha train schedule between the two cities. Essentially, neither the northbound nor the southbound Hiawatha trains had to switch onto a siding and wait for the other to pass before proceeding on their way. Instead, twice daily the two Hiawatha trains flashed by each other on the double tracked route.
Bob
Bob your right. I love modeling mountains/electrics so my railroad is centered around the Cascades. Also, the operation of sidings is more interesting to me with hands on operation of sidings. Maybe this is a subject for another topic but I like the Milwaukee because they were such underdogs. Going bankrupt three times, the only long electric line, and electric motors that no one else ever used is something no other railroad has ever done. Don
quote:Originally posted by scale rail:
Milwaukee even used a open air observation car like this in the summer in the Cascades. They ran tell the war. With electric powered motors pulling the train passengers didn't have to worry about smoke or cinders. I made this one out of a old passenger car kit and highly modified it. Don
Don,
That's a really great model of the Olympian's open observation car! No doubt you have seen the "colorized" photo postcard of that car that Milwaukee used to promote their "new" Olympian train. The text on the back of that postcard reads, "The freedom from smoke, soot and cinders in the electrified regions of The Milwaukee Road enhances the delight of travel in open observation cars. From these cars one finds thrills anew in the glorious scenery and in the zestful mountain air." IMHO, your old layout and your open observation car really capture that same magic!
If you haven't see it, that colorized picture postcard of the New Olympian and its open observation car can be viewed online in the Cascade Rail Foundation Photo Gallery. Here's the link:
http://www.crfweb.org/photogal...m=search&cat=0&pos=0
Bob
