@Rider Sandman posted:My “catalog” list is likely meager. My “custom run” list could be expensive. I hope Lionel’s new minimums don’t kill too many projects.
Ah, my pet peeve, custom runs!! I really wish there was one place we could see all the custom runs. It seems like there are more popping up everyday...
@Jeff T posted:Ah, my pet peeve, custom runs!! I really wish there was one place we could see all the custom runs. It seems like there are more popping up everyday...
Couldn’t agree more! Would possibly give more custom runs a chance to fire off if the community knew what was all offered.
NY Central Atlantic.
Us Armed Forces ES 44 AC # 1775 ( Wished Lionel had made it 1776.)
Not much of interest to me in the new catalog. Like the F7s, but not in the road names offered. Asked Steve Nelson (Mr. Muffin) to consider a special run in either NPR or NYC. I would buy either. Steve was very concerned about the prices of the engines, and the higher number which need to be ordered now by a dealer in order to have a special run done, so we shall see. The GLa hoppers were a surprise and are of some interest to me, as I have a bunch from the first couple of runs of them, when Lionel still had their great trucks and couplers. However, I won't consider buying any of these if the couplers on them are not articulated. The prices of the hoppers are also outrageous, although I'm sure there will be a discount offered by the dealers. I did not hear any comments from Dave or Ryan about the freight car couplers yesterday, but I did not watch the entire program.
Pat
The newly tooled scale PE boxcar and reindeer car will be my only preorders this time around. I hope Lionel gets creative with the reindeer sounds as I am not sure what interesting sounds a reindeer makes 
@jimcap posted:NY Central Atlantic.
Us Armed Forces ES 44 AC # 1775 ( Wished Lionel had made it 1776.)
I like that one too but I already have two CP locomotives on order. It’s a bit of a draw back when all these locomotives get delivered at once. Mr. Muffins Lay A Buy program bodes help though!
Probably a Class A -- either WWII or Post 1945.
Probably Virginian and N & W hopper two-packs.
Gotta admit the rocket train is kinda cool -- have to think about how I'd justify running it on an Appalachian-inspired layout. Maybe it's passing thru the mountains on its way down to the Cape. :-)
@BlueFeather posted:Probably a Class A -- either WWII or Post 1945.
Probably Virginian and N & W hopper two-packs.
Gotta admit the rocket train is kinda cool -- have to think about how I'd justify running it on an Appalachian-inspired layout. Maybe it's passing thru the mountains on its way down to the Cape. :-)
Right! Think Homer Hickem from the movie “October Sky”
@Jeff T posted:Ah, my pet peeve, custom runs!! I really wish there was one place we could see all the custom runs. It seems like there are more popping up everyday...
It would be great if Lionel would put a list on their site. It would also be helpful if OGR would create a new sub forum for them. Only allow dealers to start threads (although all users could comment within them) to keep it from getting cluttered with anything other than announcements.
@Rider Sandman posted:It would be great if Lionel would put a list on their site. It would also be helpful if OGR would create a new sub forum for them. Only allow dealers to start threads (although all users could comment within them) to keep it from getting cluttered with anything other than announcements.
That is an excellent idea! People could propose a custom run and OGRers can weigh in what they want and train dealers can select special runs they would like to sponsor!
Preordered two U.S. Army 0-4-0 locomotives thus far. I really like small switchers (steam and/or diesel).
@Allan Miller posted:Preordered two U.S. Army 0-4-0 locomotives thus far. I really like small switchers (steam and/or diesel).
I’m with you Allan, I’m just disappointed they’re legacy. The lionchief 0-6-0’s were such a great value.
Nothing yet, Still waiting on the UP generator Car for the Funeral Train.
@TheRambles posted:I’m with you Allan, I’m just disappointed they’re legacy. The lionchief 0-6-0’s were such a great value.
On the other hand you could say that is their strength. Their small size means that people with smaller layouts with O-36 curves can enjoy scale Legacy operation. That is a good thing!
That 0-4-0 little steamer in Long Island looks pretty tempting. However, I have someone that’s willing to sell me a premier A5 0-4-0 ps2 in a different livery for under $300. It runs awesome but I’d have to do a repaint to get LIRR. Decisions, decisions.
Did Lionel give out delivery dates for all this new stuff?
@laz1957 posted:Did Lionel give out delivery dates for all this new stuff?
Do they ever. The N&W Class A is being pushed hard for a 2022 delivery is all I heard.
here's my overall opinion of the catalog if anyone's interested
@paigetrain posted:here's my overall opinion of the catalog if anyone's interested
Thank you for sharing!
To my suprise, I'm "considering" one of the NYC 0-6-0's.
I've never owned a scale MTH loco before and its not a mortgage payment( or two)
The general higher level of detail of MTH tooling. Along with "never before offered with Legacy" make me reconsider preordering.
It will be interesting to see if Lionel keeps the tender deck plate along with the whistle and bell cords.
Nothing for me this time.
nothing for me. you can tell they have the upper hand now with MTH gone. $99 hopper cars and $399 PRR horse car.
@Rick Rubino posted:nothing for me. you can tell they have the upper hand now with MTH gone. $99 hopper cars and $399 PRR horse car.
In all fairness, the dealer discount is pretty good on horse cars. 275 at some dealers
Trainworld and Mr. Muffins has alot of items discounted.
@RickO posted:To my suprise, I'm "considering" one of the NYC 0-6-0's.
I've never owned a scale MTH loco before and its not a mortgage payment( or two)
The general higher level of detail of MTH tooling. Along with "never before offered with Legacy" make me reconsider preordering.
It will be interesting to see if Lionel keeps the tender deck plate along with the whistle and bell cords.
Thats another engine that could have gone with the Mogul tender.
Pete
@EricTrainMan posted:In all fairness, the dealer discount is pretty good on horse cars. 275 at some dealers
That is a lot better. Still, wish it had three doors.
@Norton posted:Thats another engine that could have gone with the Mogul tender.
Pete
While I have your attention Pete. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but a search was dead ends.
Whats the difference between the" New York Central System" lettering vs. "....Lines" and "New York Central" for that matter. Specific locations on the RR?
@Rick Rubino posted:nothing for me. you can tell they have the upper hand now with MTH gone. $99 hopper cars and $399 PRR horse car.
7% inflation and supply shortages contribute more to the price increase than the loss of MTH as a major train company does. But you can look at it this way: people are paying those prices and I think it is a positive sign for the hobby that people are willing to spend discretionary dollars on our hobby. And to be fair to Lionel, it’s not all about pure profit for them, they are reinvesting some of those dollars on new tooling and new Legacy technology. Again, this is a good sign for how well the hobby is doing.
@mlavender480 posted:The Conrail GP20 is interesting but I’m not sure it’s worth the price.
Yeah. The $500 MSRP for a traditional Geep, even with LC+2, kinda made my jaw drop. 
In the 2021 catalog, LC+2 Geeps had a MSRP of $375. That's a 33% increase! Street prices: $450 vs. $340. Still about a 33% increase.
@RickO posted:While I have your attention Pete. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but a search was dead ends.
Whats the difference between the" New York Central System" lettering vs. "....Lines" and "New York Central" for that matter. Specific locations on the RR?
That was Lionel’s way out with the tall tender. I do the same thing when relettering an engine for NYC but its not quite correct for the parent company. System and Lines indicate its one of their subs like the Big4 or Michigan Central or a few others. You will notice the small lettering at the top of the coal hopper. That will have the letters of the sub. The sub may or may not have tenders like that even if the parent company didn’t.
Pete
@Rider Sandman posted:It would also be helpful if OGR would create a new sub forum for them. Only allow dealers to start threads (although all users could comment within them) to keep it from getting cluttered with anything other than announcements.
This is a heck of an idea, actually. I think this would be helpful and very effective. Some dealers make announcements but this would centralize it.
Hi all, as in previous years the Lionel online catalog doesn't work with screen readers. Last few years someone was always kind enough to send me a link to a .pdf of the Big Book Catalog that I could download. Can someone give me the direct download link to the catalog for 2022? thanks
Frank,
I sent you a pdf copy to your email.
Can anyone tell me which Lionel pat number F40PH best matches the Downeaster Cabbage unit? thanks
Maybe the Class A once I figure out all the little differences between them all including the LCCa version provided they price it the same as dealers due with the other ones
Or paying more for it because you get a year free.
@PSU1980 posted:Maybe the Class A once I figure out all the little differences between them all including the LCCa version provided they price it the same as dealers due with the other ones
Or paying more for it because you get a year free.
That’s right! I forgot about the LCCA class A. So Lionel is offering nine different Vision Class A’s Amazing output for one catalog!
There are a few items I an considering. The only definite is the Trippy Trolley. Its really cool man! 
@Madockawando posted:That’s right! I forgot about the LCCA class A. So Lionel is offering nine different Vision Class A’s Amazing output for one catalog!
Yep, the 1222 is the exclusive for the LCCA! There’s gonna be a big issue with it though: in the catalog and on the Facebook live show Ryan and Dave did they mentioned the 1222 is gonna have Roller Bearing rods. In reality the only Class A’s to ever have the Roller Bearing rods were the 1238-1242! I have no idea why Lionel decided to put them on the 1222 since it was never equipped with them in the entirety of its service on the N&W! They should’ve made the LCCA version the 1242 or one of the five others if they really wanted to do a version with the Roller Bearing rods instead of throwing them on a model where it’s entirely inaccurate…
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