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A friend asked if I'd look at his K-Line K-25303 Santa Fe "Black Bonnet" F-7 A-B-A units with TMCC, RS4 and K-Line's Speed Control.

There were several different configurations of K-Line F units over the years, and this one has both A units powered (total of 4 vertical motors with flywheels), smoke in each unit (total of 3 smoke units) and a 10-pin tether that runs between all three units. To do this, the units share a single R2LC in the lead unit, but have separate K-Line Cruise Control boards in each powered A unit.

If you're familiar with K-Line's Cruise Control boards, you know where this is going.... the Cruise board in the rear unit (the one without the R2LC) has failed, but the one in the lead unit appears to be OK -- at least for now.

I can see a few different repair options:

1) Ideally, one would replace both K-Line Cruise Control boards with ERR Cruise Commander M's. However given the cost ($300+ just for the boards - I'm not sure he wants to put that kind of money in these) and the fact that Commander M's are unavailable right now, this option doesn't seem all that great.

2) Just replace the bad Cruise board with an ERR Cruise M, and wait for the K-Line Cruise board to fail in the lead unit, which is a likely possibility. And given that the speed control mapping is probably different between the two units, this could even put more stress on the K-Line board. Not a great option, either.

3) Remove the motors from the rear A unit, and run the set with just the lead unit powered. Wait for the remaining K-Line Cruise board to fail, which is likely inevitable, and reassess options when that happens.

4) Replace both K-Line Cruise boards with standard Lionel DCDR motor drivers without speed control as a much lower-cost option of #1 above. (Has anyone driven two DCDRs off one R2LC or driven four motors with one DCDR?)

There are pros and cons to each of the above, and I'm curious if anyone has found themselves in a similar situation and what was done to resolve it

Thanks!
TRW

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Turn off the cruise control and run them in command mode without cruise. They still will run smoothly.
I have an issue with a TAS EOB that I think the tach board may have not been adhered with the proper distance between the reader and the flywheel strips. Instead of running it with cruise, I simply turned cruise off.
The engine is a MTH DD40ax that was a proto 1 engine and had it converted to TAS EOB many years ago. Instead of screwing around trying to get the reader board close enough to the flywheel strips, just running it without the cruise. It runs fine with its dummy DD40ax unit.
Can you turn the KLine cruise off?
Regards, Ted

Last edited by Ted Bertiger

You can run two DCDR boards from one master, and the plain DCDR is dirt cheap.  I have a bunch of them, when I've sold them, I never get more than around $20/ea for them.  That would get it running.

Note that there's one fly in the ointment with this scheme.  The K-Line cruise did not use the PWM outputs of the R2LC, they did their speed/direction control using the serial data.  So, the PWM signals aren't in the tether, you have to do some rewiring to make any other motor control module work.

The good news is, the K-Line A-A or A-B-A units I've modified have three or four grounds in the tether where one will do, so there are plenty of spare wires to sort things out.

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