Lionel 4-6-4 Hudson - can't program in Cab2

This locomotive is described as "Command ready" and "Railsounds upgradeable". If it hasn't been upgraded it may still be a conventional only locomotive.

This engine came "Command Ready"... no R2LC receiver board.  No TMCC.  It only has a three position electronic reverse.

Jon

thanks - are there any add on boards that would make it TMCC capable?

ted K posted:

thanks - are there any add on boards that would make it TMCC capable?

I believe that ERR (Electric Railroad) sells the necessary up-grade stuff in order to make your model TMCC. Check out the OGR TMCC & ERR Forum for additional information.

So if its commands ready should it still have the program run switch?

E-UNIT-79 posted:

So if its commands ready should it still have the program run switch?

Yes,The run/program switch also locks the electronic E-unit to forward position.

Doug

I guess it’s just used to control direction. PRG freezes direction to only go forward RUN allows conventional forward /neutral/backwards 

The program/run switch will also work when the R2LC is installed 

Hot Water posted:

ted K posted:

thanks - are there any add on boards that would make it TMCC capable?

I believe that ERR (Electric Railroad) sells the necessary up-grade stuff in order to make your model TMCC. Check out the OGR TMCC & ERR Forum for additional information.

Since it's command ready, all you should have to do is swap the E-Unit board for an R2LC.

thanks - i ordered one and will try an installation 

TED K  I was just wondering if you got the TMCC boards and got it working ?

Lionel parts listed it as CONV 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

Moonman posted:

Lionel parts listed it as CONV 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

 

What Carl says. This is not "Command Ready" as some have thought. The E unit and sound board have to get pulled and replaced to operate with TMCC.

Pete

Hi - i did get the part - and will am looking how to convert to TMCC - thanks - I have not done anything like this before - so i need to do a lot of research and make sure that i dont screw it up - appreciate the help and the responses - will repost if i run into any problems

TED K you will need help it's not just plug in boards as Lionel says,  you will have to solder a couple of wires in new places on the board in the engine ! I have done over 20 of the upgrades on Hudsons from 1998 to 2000 ! It would be best it you find a friend with the same engine that came with TMCC & RS so you can see where the wires go ! The chuff switch is not wired correctly in your engine and will have to be moved ! I can help you if needed . Just let me know ! This is my Allied Hudson after upgrade using a Legacy remote ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFivkUkY6b8

Ted; What board did you bye. An R2LC from Lionel or an upgrade from ERR? IF Lionel what Part number did you order? 

Steve: What upgrades need to be done? I am a certified tech. and tend to agree with Gunrunner on it being a simple swap with a R2LC from Lionel. Part 691-R2LC-C08 (C08 code) should be a direct drop in unless there is a wiring or motherboard issue that I am not aware of. Can you tell me in more detail about the chuff switch issue? Are you saying Railsounds 3.0 upgrade will not work due to this issue?

This engine came with Signalsounds. I don't see any mentioning of a railsounds upgrade. The tender has the mother boards for Railsounds 3.0. Lionel has a Railsounds 3.0 Hudson board. 691-PCB1-067. Also need 3.0 power board. 610-8240-256 should do. The length of the heatsink is about the only difference I am aware of. You do have to be careful to install them correctly and in the right position. 

Forest

Forest, you need to read all of the posts. This is NOT Command Ready. It has an electronic E unit. no receiver, no DCDR. It has a stand alone signal sounds board. No audio power board. Think Williams True Blast.

To upgrade to TMCC it will need a DC Commander or Cruise Commander. A Cruise lite would be ideal if they were still available. Plus a Railsounds board. You could do it with Lionel parts but they would take up more room and cost more for the same or less functionality.

Pete

thanks for all of the help - i did buy the lionel R2LC -  it may not be worth it to try to upgrade it - i appreciate the help but it may be beyond my experience and skills - so i will just enjoy running the engine in conventional control - again appreciate  all of the help

I'm not so sure it's not command ready.  I've seen command upgrades with the same board and a R2LC that were running command.  This E-Unit with the triacs is also the motor driver, apparently it is capable of accepting the PWM signals from the R2LC and running in command mode.

Upgrading the sounds should be as simple as installing the two boards in the tender.

I've attached a sample wiring diagram for a command locomotive equipped with the E-Unit in question and the R2LC, it is a workable configuration.

Sample Wiring Diagram for Command Upgrade

Don't give up so easily.

To all !  the engine he has is command ready just by installing the upgrade kit 6-22963 will give him TMCC and full Steam rail sounds, in the engine on the mother board are jumper pins you have to move to put the engine in command mode ( THE COMMAND BOARD IS IN THE ENGINE FROM THE FACTORY )  ! I have installed over 50 upgrades like this in steam & diesel engines  that were Command ready ! I have the same Hudson engine he has 6-52175 and NYC Hudson 6-28007 same engine both I did the upgrade to and they run with TMCC remote and the Legacy 990 remote ! The engine will need a small mod to the wiring or the chuff will not work and the smoke unit can be soldered to the mother board to have 3 steps of smoke output control and on/off with the remote ! Video is my Allied Models Lionel/Dept 56 Hudson with the upgrade kit installed same engine ! 

I realize that Steve, just have to convince the rest of the folks.

Norton posted:

Forest, you need to read all of the posts. This is NOT Command Ready. It has an electronic E unit. no receiver, no DCDR. It has a stand alone signal sounds board. No audio power board. Think Williams True Blast.

To upgrade to TMCC it will need a DC Commander or Cruise Commander. A Cruise lite would be ideal if they were still available. Plus a Railsounds board. You could do it with Lionel parts but they would take up more room and cost more for the same or less functionality.

Pete

I read the thread. Now I will go back to eating popcorn. If I choke it will be of my own accord.