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I got a post war Lionel 623 NW2 at a train show a while ago.  Got it running great in reverse but it jerks along in forward, no matter the voltage applied or the amount of cleaning done.  Any idea on what is wrong or what can be done to fix it?  Here is a link to a video of it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNZt3EVGveg

             Thanks.

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If a full service doesn't help the problem, pull the motor out of the power truck, and turn the wheels, to see if there is a "catch" in the smooth rotation of the wheels. Further, the motor could have a loose field assembly, where the rivets hold the field to the motor base. Repair hints are in the Greenberg book. Let us know what you find. 

I finally watched the video. I stand by my earlier comment about wheels rubbing, but I have to say that your engine doesn't run properly in reverse either. While it is not as bad as it is in the forward direction, it is rather jerky in reverse too.

Those engines and their 2023 style Alco brothers should run very smoothly in both directions.

There should be four thrust washers on the motor. LennyJ listed three.

It should be washer, ball bearing ring, washer on both sides of the lower bearing.

Here is the service manual page for the common variation of the motor.

The early version of the motor in this engine does not use ball bearing rings (681-121).

The early version has individual, loose ball bearings.

Last edited by C W Burfle

Hi PennLine and Folks,

 

      I had a similar operating issue with my old GE 44 Ton switcher.  I don't know if the chassis is the same, but I had to tighten the frame on the powered truck around the black plastic spacer. 

 

 

I used clips made from women's "bobbie pins" and super glued them in place with a version of the glue made for oily surfaces. (Also glued the black plastic piece to the metal.)  Although it looks sloppy (I was generous with the glue), it has been working well for 5 years now. I had lost the ball bearing that rests on the plastic piece, and forum member "rlplionel" noticed the missing bearing and then supplied me with a few.

 

    Hope this helps!

 

Take care, Joe.

Last edited by Joe Rampolla
Originally Posted by Joe Rampolla:

Hi PennLine and Folks,

 

      I had a similar operating issue with my old GE 44 Ton switcher.  I don't know if the chassis is the same, but I had to tighten the frame on the powered truck around the black plastic spacer. 

 

 

I used clips made from women's "bobbie pins" and super glued them in place with a version of the glue made for oily surfaces. (Also glued the black plastic piece to the metal.)  Although it looks sloppy (I was generous with the glue), it has been working well for 5 years now. I had lost the ball bearing that rests on the plastic piece, and forum member "rlplionel" noticed the missing bearing and then supplied me with a few.

 

    Hope this helps!

 

Take care, Joe.

Joe, which superglue is made for oily surfaces?

It was the power truck, when I opened it up there was 60 years worth of black grease and who knows what else.  I felt like a real diesel mechanic at the end of it, well at least my hands did they were so caked with grime.  She now runs like a Swiss watch, one of my best performing locos now.  Thanks for all the help I thought it was an electrical problem and I wasn't even close, it was all mechanical. 

Originally Posted by PennLine:

...when I opened it up there was 60 years worth of black grease and who knows what else...

Tinsel chunks from the 1950's, fur samples from long-dead family pets, Berber carpet fibers & cigarette smoke residue from the 1960's, shag carpet fibers from the 1970's, hardened Lionel grease applied in the 1980's, cobwebs and insect fragments from storage in the 1990's, and on and on...

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