Lionel's UP Veranda Turbine All Die Cast Engine - WOW!

Nice engine!!

I found the  manual and it looks like the volume control knob and smoke switches are located as shown below.

I am not big on smoke... its great for the photo shoot " run by" so I will probably try it out... then turn them off and run them only on occasion...

I have one this is my 3rd I had to sell the last 2 to finance my train room, It has always been on my wanted list and I found one and its a BEAST , Do I wish they do it in legacy oh yeah but it is a awesome runner and it goes great with my #80 coal turbine DD40X and Propane Turbine, For that price you did great enjoy and keep running

there was a additional piece of paper that came with the manual that told you how to turn on the smoke units from the tmcc remote so they can work correctly its a tricky series of keys to make them work if I could make a copy I will post it

fl9turbo2 posted:

I have one this is my 3rd I had to sell the last 2 to finance my train room, It has always been on my wanted list and I found one and its a BEAST , Do I wish they do it in legacy oh yeah but it is a awesome runner and it goes great with my #80 coal turbine DD40X and Propane Turbine, For that price you did great enjoy and keep running

You have to show us some pictures! I googled some photos and it looks like I could run some steel side reefers behind it and my JLC or Vision Line Big Boy as well!

Truly a spectacular locomotive on all counts! Are you sure you want to mess with the electronics via an upgrade, fine as ERR products are? A friend who owns over a dozen LARGE/LONG Lionel locomotives considers his UP Veranda among his best and smoothest runners. Perhaps a hold ‘til the TMCC or Odyssey board(s) fail .  .  .  ? 

fl9turbo2 posted:

there was a additional piece of paper that came with the manual that told you how to turn on the smoke units from the tmcc remote so they can work correctly its a tricky series of keys to make them work if I could make a copy I will post it

Yes  - on the manual If found these notes... not sure I will be able to commit them to memory...

OddIsHeRU posted:

Truly a spectacular locomotive on all counts! Are you sure you want to mess with the electronics via an upgrade, fine as ERR products are? A friend who owns over a dozen LARGE/LONG Lionel locomotives considers his UP Veranda among his best and smoothest runners. Perhaps a hold ‘til the TMCC or Odyssey board(s) fail .  .  .  ? 

I totally agree. If its not broke don't fix it... and with the curse I have with killing electronics with one fatal touch... I will wait until the need arises.

Besides I have a set of Lionel Burlington E-5's that will need the board replacement first.

I had one of those. truly a bruiser

Bob C.

I think if you mess with the electronics the smoke units no longer work correctly, some people (including myself) have had problems with the smoke units not  working the way the should sometimes wile the loco is moving the back smoke unit works and not the front.  This was a problem and it had at the time was the first generation odyssey system and you had to practice to set it, That's why I am hoping for a legacy version with the latest systems.    

fl9turbo2 posted:

I think if you mess with the electronics the smoke units no longer work correctly, some people (including myself) have had problems with the smoke units not  working the way the should sometimes wile the loco is moving the back smoke unit works and not the front.  This was a problem and it had at the time was the first generation odyssey system and you had to practice to set it, That's why I am hoping for a legacy version with the latest systems.    

Well I am still reading up on the smoke units but I believe in the manual the front unit is supposed to turn on and the rear unit turns off after a certain speed is reached... Cool feature but lots of smoke... choke, choke...

Thanks for the heads up on the DCDS swap... seems to me the more I work on these the more variants I find.

The UP Vernada is a great model.  Lionel did a great job with it.

I think we'll see it with Legacy soon, just not sure I'll be able to afford it. 

86TA355SR posted:

The UP Vernada is a great model.  Lionel did a great job with it.

I think we'll see it with Legacy soon, just not sure I'll be able to afford it. 

Nope, won't be soon, too complex to assemble, and yes the cost will push 2 bills....

J DADDY you have a beautiful locomotive and tender and it's nice to read that all is fine and that you are happy with it.
Just the tender has a massive size, let alone the two units together!
BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Enjoy,
Ralph

if its just like the tmcc version I would buy it the sound would be better the odyssey would be  better and the smoke may be better but I would bet lionel would forget the smoke system its hard to make it  work reliable, look what happened to the vision line genset it had something like the veranda smoke unit. And that had issues then lionel went to a single smoke unit

Actually I just polished and cleaned the rollers and WOW talk about a real difference.  Now it runs so smoothly. 

I have this, it's a fun model.   The rear smoke unit is the diesel prime mover, that runs at slow speeds.  When you get up to a certain speed, the main stack (the turbine) takes over.  I'm not sure what the talk about setting stall speed is, this engine has Odyssey, so you shouldn't need the stall speed setting.

It should be a pretty reliable runner, it has four pickups and lots of wheels on the outer tracks.

Its a awesome runner for me I have a 2% grade and I run a 25-30 car train and have no issues I would not change a thing, But I still have my fingers crossed for a legacy version

I purchased my Turbine from a Forum member LEAPIN LARRY.  WOW what an engine.  Great runner and sounds.  Love the smoke units too.  Enjoy your new old engine.  It is a Home Run!!!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I have this, it's a fun model.   The rear smoke unit is the diesel prime mover, that runs at slow speeds.  When you get up to a certain speed, the main stack (the turbine) takes over.  I'm not sure what the talk about setting stall speed is, this engine has Odyssey, so you shouldn't need the stall speed setting.

It should be a pretty reliable runner, it has four pickups and lots of wheels on the outer tracks.

I set the stall speed to reduce the initial lurch when it starts up.

Hmm...  I don't get a lurch with mine, maybe I got lucky?

same here not sure why its lurching mine is smooth

Some Odyssey I locomotives have the initial Odyssey I lurch upon power-up, but I never noticed that with my Veranda, I'm actually pretty happy with it's overall performance.

Its not an Odyssey lurch... its more of a rapid start. I am able to set the stall and create a slow start.

Sounds like the cruise is switched off or has a problem.  I see nothing like this.

Odd then.. I was able to adjust out of it... nice and smooth now.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Sounds like the cruise is switched off or has a problem.  I see nothing like this.

Norm makes notes about it too in his UP Veranda video. I took notes from him a few years back in how to tweak the older TMCC units using the CAB 2. It really makes a difference!

Above:

"Holy smokes, is this the heaviest diesel locomotive that Lionel has ever made?"

Couldn't be. It's not a "diesel". It's a gas turbine. Like Airbus and others use to make airplanes fly.

Not a diesel. It does have a small diesel engine on board to run accessories (the turbine spins at tens of thousands of RPM's) and to move around the yard (the turbine gulps fuel and is efficient only at high, fairly constant, speeds - just like steam turbines.)

I have one; runs well, weak smoke, and it can stop a wee bit suddenly - and I mean a wee bit. It's fine. No lurch.

The auxiliary diesel (see above) background sound is much too loud to be realistic at track speeds.

Yes no lurch . watch in Norm's second video frame 1:03. The adjustment of the stall and momentum setting can be optimized to reduce the "sudden start" as seen here.

My older Allegheny cab no. 1601 had the same issue, but no stall adjustment could help it....  thus I replaced the original DCDS board with an ERR board

I see nothing in Norm's video that looks like a lurch, and his complete description of the video doesn't seem to suggest any issue.  All I saw at 1:03 was the turbine smoke unit kick in.

In December 2007, I filmed this fully diecast beast running under Legacy control. Using the RR Speeds, the TMCC speed steps could be incrementally applied, giving nice and gradual wind-ups in speed. At some fixed step, the Veranda's firmware would kick in the main turbine smoker while shutting the 'donkey motor' smoker off. A very cool and unique feature. I sort of regret selling this engine off, but it went to a good home...

Is there an online instruction manual for the 18149 turbine? Have no idea where to look for it on the Lionel site. I just picked up one at York for a bargain price but there are a couple of issues that I need to try and figure out. Like how to make the tender backup light work and the coupler work on it. Not real fluent in Tmcc. The instruction manual wasn't in the box when I bought it. Any help would be appreciated.

Looking good John!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I see nothing in Norm's video that looks like a lurch, and his complete description of the video doesn't seem to suggest any issue.  All I saw at 1:03 was the turbine smoke unit kick in.

In December 2007, I filmed this fully diecast beast running under Legacy control. Using the RR Speeds, the TMCC speed steps could be incrementally applied, giving nice and gradual wind-ups in speed. At some fixed step, the Veranda's firmware would kick in the main turbine smoker while shutting the 'donkey motor' smoker off. A very cool and unique feature. I sort of regret selling this engine off, but it went to a good home...

Never mind John...

MichRR714 posted:

Looking good John!

Thanks Charlie.  See you guys at Cheryl's. 

Carl C posted:

Is there an online instruction manual for the 18149 turbine?

Links to all the manuals are on this page.

http://www.lionel.com/products...-turbine-73-6-18149/

J Daddy posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I see nothing in Norm's video that looks like a lurch, and his complete description of the video doesn't seem to suggest any issue.  All I saw at 1:03 was the turbine smoke unit kick in.

In December 2007, I filmed this fully diecast beast running under Legacy control. Using the RR Speeds, the TMCC speed steps could be incrementally applied, giving nice and gradual wind-ups in speed. At some fixed step, the Veranda's firmware would kick in the main turbine smoker while shutting the 'donkey motor' smoker off. A very cool and unique feature. I sort of regret selling this engine off, but it went to a good home...

Never mind John...

Don't go away mad, I'm really trying to understand the issue.  Am I missing something?