Good morning
I have a #6-11412 that I run with tmmc and DCS The locomotive came back from the paint shop with legacy on, I only use TMMC. I can't find my manual and i want to set this locomotive up. How do i get it going again ?
Clem
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Good morning
I have a #6-11412 that I run with tmmc and DCS The locomotive came back from the paint shop with legacy on, I only use TMMC. I can't find my manual and i want to set this locomotive up. How do i get it going again ?
Clem
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clem k posted:Good morning
I have a #6-11412 that I run with tmmc and DCS The locomotive came back from the paint shop with legacy on, I only use TMMC. I can't find my manual and i want to set this locomotive up. How do i get it going again ?
Clem
I'm confused big time. Whether or not the engine operates under legacy is determined by what remote you use. You only have a Cab1/command base it will only operate in TMCC, If you access it by the Cab2/Legacy command base it will run with all the legacy features. Here is the link to the product and scroll down to the manual.
Make sure the switch is in run, not program unless you want to program a different engine ID.
Lets see some pics, guessing you had it weathered?
I have the locomotive manual but it doesn't help, i need the manual that comes with the cab 1. Right now all I can do is start, whistle, and forward reverse but no movement. and thats only with DCS the cab 1 does nothing. I'm thinking i need a Legacy system to go back to tmmc ?
If you can talk to the locomotive, it's addressed properly. Question, is the PGM/RUN switch in RUN? What exactly do you have to operate it, let's go back to the basics and use the CAB1 and TMCC base, get DCS out of the picture.
OK here is the set up #6-11412 on 1 piece of Gargraves track, 1 Z4000, 1Trainmaster base with wall wart, 1 Cab one controller. Track is grounded on both rails and black wire from base to track ground.
This happens whenever this loco runs on a legacy system, Last time it took me two months to get two Mohawks running again.
Turn the PGM/RUN switch to PGM, and program the ID. Insure you get the whistle acknowledgement for the set. Make sure that if you press the BELL, you don't get the bell, you'll get a whistle blast in PGM mode.
Turn the PGM/RUN switch to RUN, and make sure you can activate both the whistle and the bell. This tests to see if the switch is somehow stuck in PGM.
If you're not getting these reactions, you need to look at the command base and make sure when you press the keys that the red light blinks indicating the commands are actually getting there.
If all that works out, test each function, coupler, toggle the headlight, crew talk, etc.
Finally, when you turn the throttle, what EXACT symptoms do you see. Do you see the current change on your Z4000 meter? That would indicate the motor is binding and is trying to move.
clem k posted:This happens whenever this loco runs on a legacy system, Last time it took me two months to get two Mohawks running again.
That's what the reset is for, when you set the TMCC ID, it performs a reset. However, I've been fixing this stuff for years, and my test bench uses a TMCC BASE1/CAB1, and I've never had issues switching between Legacy control and TMCC control with any locomotive, don't even know how that could happen.
John I kinda got it to work, Started,whistle, bell, uncouple,movement forward and back. Start button does not work but boost will get it started, shutdown does not work, and smoke nonoperative. Going to try on layout.
Thanks
clem
No luck on layout, Is there a factory reset like on DCS ?
...and this is why I prefer more basic engines. Sorry, I know that doesn't help, but I couldn't resist...
Mark in Oregon
Now the other one quit completely
Clem ,
Try addressing the engine as you would normally do, then press aux 1, then 0. Then go back and address it again and try running.
Ray
Nothing both dead, I turn on power and headlight blinks once and thats it. I need a factory reset
You had it working on the test track and not on the layout? What do you mean by "start button"?
Read Gunrunner's post again. It has all the information you need for programming and "reset".
I'm questioning exactly what is going on at this point. If it run on a test track with the TMCC base/CAB1, then I doubt it's the locomotive.
John its not the locomotive and its not the cab 1 or cab 1 remote. Like I said this happened before after it ran on Legacy, nobody could help me then and that was three years ago. took me two months to get it squared away. I forgot how I fixed it.
CJACK........There is a start button on the cab 1 and on DCS remote.
I usually run these double headed. I did something to make them both run at the same time without building a lash-up. On my DCS remote they are address 2&3, If I select any one of the two they both start. if one is on a dead track the other on power track it runs, thats what I do when I want run only one.
question #1 Is there a reset option with tmmc cab one, like a DCS factory reset ?
Aux1 0 is reset. You can download a manual from Lionel. Lionelsupport.com, Resources, Owners Manuals.
Put in your stock number.
Pete
Joe, this is a Legacy locomotive with the RCMC, those resets don't apply.
Pete, the stock number is in the first post: 6-11412
I think you may have to clear any lashups that were built, perhaps that's what is causing the issue?
Ooops.
1. Slide the program run switch to the PGM position. 2. Plug in and connect your LEGACY Base. 3. Place your locomotive on the track, then power up the track. 4. Press ENG and enter the locomotive’s ID#. 5. Press SET. 6. Turn off track power and wait ten seconds. 7. Slide the program run switch back to the RUN position.
At this point, your locomotive has been reset. Restore power to the track and operate the
Well I got one back to normal, the one that was not painted. the original problem child runs again but not working right, no smoke, no firebox glow, shut down button does not work, start up does not work, have to use boost for start, will not load into DCS.
These where never made into a official lash-up. I did something with the DCS numbers to make them work together.
I now deleted every lionel from DCS remotes except one remote that was still working with the unpainted engine. That I left alone, except changed cab number.
At least i'm back where I started only one engine unusable.
I don't have a Legacy base , Cab one only
Does that engine work normally with the TMCC base and CAB1? If so, something is amiss with the DCS configuration I'd expect.
Just in case...
TO REMOVE AN LOCOMOTIVE FROM THE LASH-UP
ASSIGN THAT LOCOMOTIVE TO TR 0 BY PRESSING TR, 0, 3, SET. LOCOMOTIVE 3 IS NOW REMOVED FROM THE LASH-UP TR5.
Also...you said something about moving when pressing boost...
THE LOCOMOTIVE DOES NOT MOVE WHEN THE THROTTLE IS INCREASED.
READDRESS THE LOCOMOTIVE.
• PRESS BOOST. IF THE LOCOMOTIVE MOVES, REPLACE THE BAT-
TERIES IN CAB-1. (ALSO TRY THE WHISTLE/HORN. THE ADDRESSED LOCOMOTIVE WILL RESPOND.)
Once I get this locomotive installed in my Cab 1 How do I start the locomotive ?
On DCS I push start
clem k posted:Once I get this locomotive installed in my Cab 1 How do I start the locomotive ?
On DCS I push start
Press the #3 button or the AUX1 button. The engine should come alive and make the sound of a small steam release. Then you should be able to rotate the red knob to the right to make it move. Turning the knob left slows the engine to a stop. Do you have the STEAM overlay for the CAB 1? If not their on ebay periodically or from the Lionel replacement parts site. P/N 610-8082-060
Button 1 - Increases the volume, Button 2 - Crew Talk, Button 3 - Start Up/Blow Off, Button 4 - Decreases the volume, Button 5 - Shuts down the engine, Button 6 - is a steam release, Button 7 - Tower Talk, Button 8 - turns the smoke on and off, Button 9 - increases the smoke output (L,M,H), Button 0 - is the reset. The link below is for the Cab 1L, but programming is the same for the Cab 1. Go thru it page by page, The smoke may be turned off program wise or the switch on the engine is. You may just have to turn it back on.
Your only interested in the programming, don't worry about the Legacy side of the instructions. They don't apply to the Cab 1 TrainMaster system.
https://www.lionelsupport.com/...28737155250CAB1L.pdf
I know this sounds very basic, Sorry.
Good Luck
I would assume the painter took your engine and tender apart to paint it. It sounds like some of the boards or wires did not get reassembled correctly or connectors are loose. You may have to have someone take a look inside or do it yourself.
Pete
Norton posted:I would assume the painter took your engine and tender apart to paint it. It sounds like some of the boards or wires did not get reassembled correctly or connectors are loose. You may have to have someone take a look inside or do it yourself.
Pete
Or pinched some wires on re-assembly.
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