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I recently picked up a box of Lionel parts that included a bunch of NOS smoke units. I have two questions:

Question one:
One of the smoke units is pictured below (lifted from EBay). I think it is a 247-8 smoke unit, which is designing to mount to the side of a sheet metal Columbia locomotive. As I recall, the puffer assembly is built into the motor, similar to a 2026, but driven from the rods, not a cam on the back of a wheel.
Here is the question: Are there any other locomotives, besides the 247 that use it?
I cannot think of any.

It is not for scouts.
A scout smoke unit has a built-in puffer, and a post on the back that sticks into the light bulb socket.
And it's not for 746. That smoke unit has a metal bracket.

Question two:
Some of the smoke units have their lead wires broken off. Any way to attach a new lead?

I think Lionel welded the lead wire, nichrome wire and eyelet together. How do you get the old wire out without wrecking the nichrome wire?

 

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One of the smoke units is pictured below (lifted from EBay). I think it is a 247-8 smoke unit, which is designing to mount to the side of a sheet metal Columbia locomotive. As I recall, the puffer assembly is built into the motor, similar to a 2026, but driven from the rods, not a cam on the back of a wheel.
Here is the question: Are there any other locomotives, besides the 247 that use it?

243, 244 for starters.

The 247 and 746 smoke units are similar.
The 247 smoke unit, pictured above, has plastic mounting brackets cast as part of the body.
The 746 smoke unit, pictured below, does not have the same plastic mounting brackets. It has a metal bracket.
I had the 247 smoke unit right next to a 746 smoke unit, and I thought they were the same at first glance.
(I got a 746 smoke unit in the lot too)

Edit: While this picture is good to show the bracket, the plastic smoke unit itself does look like the 247 smoke unit pictured above.
I am going to post a photo of the smoke unit I have identified as being a 746 smoke unit in a separate post.

 

746 smoke unit

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I have to charge my phone before it will tether to my laptop so I can grab the photos. (seems to be a known issue). I will post them as soon as I can.

Anyway, the liquid smoke unit that I have identified as a 746 part is made from a different mold than the 247 smoke unit. The parting lines are in different places, and there is a plastic bracket on one side only, to which the metal bracket is attached.
The 247 smoke unit has plastic brackets on both sides.

Or is my "746 smoke unit" really something else?


Well, I came up with something to try in order to repair the unused postwar Lionel smoke units with broken lead wires.
I did not find a way to clear the eyelet hole. Anything that came to mind would have also broken the nichrome wire. 
So I carefully cleaned the surface of the eyelet, used a little rosin core flux, and tinned it. I also cleaned the end of the lead wire, bent the very end at a right angle, and tinned it as well. Then I sweat soldered the wire to the face of the eyelet. 

The extra flux seemed to be necessary to get the solder to stick to the eyelet.

I don't think the smoke unit will get hot enough to melt the solder. If so, then the repair should be OK.

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