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Hi, All;

 

I recently obtained  a 671 set in great condition.

 

Only issue is that the whistle won't blow on its own.  Is it possible that the solenoids go weak?  When I remove the shell and actuate the whistle (2046 smoothside-style tender) I can see/hear the solenoid trying to raise the lower plate, but it just won't pull it up enough to make contact. If I lift the plate manually, the solenoid will hold it in place and the whistle will blow as long as I hold the whistle button. Once released, it will not actuate again.

 

NOTE:  I'm running TMCC in the conventional mode, using 150W bricks.  Dunno if the DC generated by the TMCC system is weaker than the DC generated by a ZW.  Have not been able to try it on a true conventional layout.

 

I find it odd, because there's really no moving parts except for the lower flapper plate. It is not binding. It's just as if enough voltage were not going thru the windings to generate enough magnetic force.

 

Thanks for any suggestions you might have;

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Postwar transformers with whistle controls had a two step switch. As the switch was pressed, a higher "pickup voltage" was generated to close the relay. In the switches final position, the D.C. voltage component was dropped to it's "holding voltage" to keep the relay closed.
In most transformers, the pickup voltage was around 5.5 volts, as measured on a Lionel test set (under load). The holding voltage was around .8 volts.

On Postwar transformers, the test must be done under the correct load, because the load affects how much DC is present.

It sounds like your setup isn't generating enough pickup voltage. If you had a postwar transformer, I would recommend adding some cars or lights to increase the load. Don't know whether this would help with your power setup.

Carl, make sure that the air gap between the points is not excessive, I figure about the thickness of a match pack cardboard, .025" or so. Since I am an old time auto tech, I figure it is about the width of a point gap in the old style point ignition system. Also, you could spray some electrical cleaner on the area where the plate moves in the relay housing. Worst case scenario is that the solenoid coil is loosing the insulation on the windings, which leads to a decrease in the amount of magnetic pull on the movable plate. Usually a good cleaning and cautious adjusting will restore operation. Keep us posted. 

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