Question about a Williams steam engine on the "Bay"...

Where does it say that the locomotive is semi-scaled? I must be missing something.

Yep,

Sometimes you have to read the whole listing.
If you had you'd have seen the label I saw which said Scale Hudson on the end of the box on the factory label.

Sometimes whats in the title aint whats in the box .You have to look.

David

Michael.....

The Williams Hudson is a close clone of the Lionel prewar offering.
Not quite as much detail but still fine. It runs as smooth as
a swiss watch. It has the really nice open spoked drivers and
the 6 wheel tender trucks. In my opinion the only downside is
the whistle (anemic). It smokes well - uses liquid. If you
want a Hudson that will fool most lookers this is the one to get
and you will spend far less than the prewar Lionel item.

The Hudson shows up on ebay regularly and pricing seems to be
in the $300 to $400 range. Anything less than that and you should
be asking questions about run time and condition. Mine came with
the original substantial box it was shipped in.

Joe O'Loughlin

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Originally posted by DPC:
Yep,

Sometimes you have to read the whole listing.
If you had you'd have seen the label I saw which said Scale Hudson on the end of the box on the factory label.

Sometimes whats in the title aint whats in the box .You have to look.

David

David...From Trainz....(maybe they have it wrong?)

Here is a Williams 40201 NYC 4-6-4 Semi-Scale Hudson Steam Locomotive. The locomotive navigates 027 curves. The length is 19.5 and the height is 3.75. It has 6 drive wheels w/ 2 traction tires, it is powered by a single motor, steel rimmed wheels, a electronic 6-amp reverse board, also it does have a True Blast II digital whistle and bell, die-cast operating coupler, a smoke unit, spoked drivers, die-cast trucks, wire form handrails w/grabrails, smoke fluid is included.

If you search that item number on the Bachmann website (40201) , you will see that it is a scale Hudson (basically a 773 with a 700T tender). It looks as if Trainz posted the features/details from the O-27 #2056 style Hudson that Williams also makes instead of the correct info for the scale Hudson.

Trainworld has the Williams 40201 Hudson for $350.00.

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Originally posted by mountain482:
If you search that item number on the Bachmann website (40201) , you will see that it is a scale Hudson (basically a 773 with a 700T tender). It looks as if Trainz posted the features/details from the O-27 #2056 style Hudson that Williams also makes instead of the correct info for the scale Hudson.

Thanks...that is what I finally concluded as well. One other seller had it listed as semi-scale as well. Apparently Williams makes (made) 3 or 4 versions of the engine.

It is confusing sometimes. They also make the scale Hudson with the semi-scale tender to recreate the 773. That particular engine is also referred to being semi-scale in some instances. So, essentially, there are two styles of semi-scale Hudsons they make and the only thing they have in common is the tender. Then you have the other which is the scale Hudson with scale tender.

Michael,

Sorry the one I saw with that same description wasn't trainz ,it was another seller.

That seller I was talking about has it listed a similar way and the bid is at 82 bucks so you may get it cheap who knows. It is a 40201 so it's a scale Hudson
It was sealed in the box so just search the 82 dollar range and it shouldn't be hard to find.

Once again sorry about that.

David

Here is the Williams catalog.

The Hudson's are on pages 30 and 31.

http://www.williamstrains.com/2011/2011_williams.pdf

Maybe Michael is suffering from TEBOW "posting" stress disorder????

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Originally posted by Ron Blume:
Maybe Michael is suffering from TEBOW "posting" stress disorder????

Time to take the position....!!! It is a loooong shot but I hope Tebow and the boys win. My vote also goes to the Saintly ones.

(My beloved Eagles are history for this year!)

quote:

Originally posted by DPC:
Michael,

Sorry the one I saw with that same description wasn't trainz ,it was another seller.

That seller I was talking about has it listed a similar way and the bid is at 82 bucks so you may get it cheap who knows. It is a 40201 so it's a scale Hudson
It was sealed in the box so just search the 82 dollar range and it shouldn't be hard to find.

Once again sorry about that.

David

No, you are good. Saw them both. And, like you said, I NEVER read the Williams box!

It may be at a low price now but after you posted it I bet there are a bunch of guys here waiting to pounce on it now, let see where the bidding goes.

My question is has anyone ever converted a Williams to PS-2? Don't own any Williams so haven't a clue what motor they have or how they are set up. If goes cheap enough who knows?

Mike, The Williams scale Hudson is evidently a nice piece and several forum members swear by them. Figure that it may cast you $300 plus or minus to buy one unless 'used' sometimes for less. If you never plan to run command control, it probably is a good value. Personally, I think the spoke drivers set it well above a postwar Lionel 773 appearance wise.
However, if you plan to upgrade it with TMCC or PS2, you may find yourself well over $500 when you are done. As mentioned above, the smoke unit does little more than 'use fluid' (well put!) and the stock sounds are pitiful.
A K-Line Hudson or an older MTH or Lionel would be a wiser purchase in that price range in IMO.

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Originally posted by c.sam:
Mike, The Williams scale Hudson is evidently a nice piece and several forum members swear by them. Figure that it may cast you $300 plus or minus to buy one unless 'used' sometimes for less. If you never plan to run command control, it probably is a good value. Personally, I think the spoke drivers set it well above a postwar Lionel 773 appearance wise.
However, if you plan to upgrade it with TMCC or PS2, you may find yourself well over $500 when you are done. As mentioned above, the smoke unit does little more than 'use fluid' (well put!) and the stock sounds are pitiful.
A K-Line Hudson or an older MTH or Lionel would be a wiser purchase in that price range in IMO.

Didn't really plan to buy one but I am watching one on the "Bay" that is too cheap not to follow......

The term "semi-scale" has been used and abused since the 1930's. It's right up there with "lash-up", I'd say.

Def 1: an item that is nominally full 1:48 scale, but lacking detail found on the "scale" version,
or detail that should be there, if there is no "better" version.

Def 2: an item that runs on O-gauge track, but is only near (or nowhere near!) 1:48 scale. These items may
well be nicely detailed (K-line 1:58 Mikes and Pacifics, for example; better RK), and are for people with
appreciation for detail, but with small extra bedrooms.

I dislike the term, because it has no definition.

Michael

In this particular instance, I think they're confusing the whole issue because Williams' O27 steam engines (hudsons, berks) come with a 2426W tender which ALSO comes with the scale hudson.

Althought that one above is not their fault or problem, I frequently find errors and inconsistencies in their listings. Their descriptions often mismatch the part numbers and/or the pictures. They currently have several listings, for example, for Williams B&O semi-scale hudson engines with a picture of a larger, scale version. Here's a good example of the confusion.
Is is scale or semi-scale?

Last week, they described an item as having plastic trucks but the item number in the catalog said die-cast and sprung.

IMHO, this online seller needs some help in its marketing department. Be careful in buying as you might not get what you think you're getting.

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Didn't really plan to buy one but I am watching one on the "Bay" that is too cheap not to follow.....

I think I am the high bidder on that auction. Too cheap to not give it a shot.

Why would you bid so early in the auction?

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Originally posted by VaGolfer1950:
It may be at a low price now but after you posted it I bet there are a bunch of guys here waiting to pounce on it now, let see where the bidding goes.

My question is has anyone ever converted a Williams to PS-2? Don't own any Williams so haven't a clue what motor they have or how they are set up. If goes cheap enough who knows?

Kind of figured that they would have found it anyway.