Thank You!

A very useful and needed reference!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW.

Bruk, just a suggestion:  Go to your Original Post and edit the title to state something like "SUPERSEDED BY REV. MARCH 18, 2017."

Then edit the text with a link to this thread.

Just a suggestion.

Bruk, you have done a great service to all Lionel owners.   Being an authorized Lionel Tech (#10140) I want to thank you for your hard work.   I suggest every Lionel owner download these documents.

Thank you,

Marty

Thanks Marty, I appreciate it!

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Bruk, you have done a great service to all Lionel owners.   Being an authorized Lionel Tech (#10140) I want to thank you for your hard work.   I suggest every Lionel owner download these documents.

Way ahead of you Marty.

Bruk has done some great work on this.  He is also a certified Lionel Tech.  Until many of us can get back to Lionel school, we will all use  this great work.  

John, on my best day I could not put out the information he has done.  If anyone else could have done it, they would have.  I always appreciate good work and he nailed it.  People in the hobby appreciate the great work you have done with Lionel products.  We live at a good time in the hobby with some great products.

Yep, this is a valuable reference, no doubt about it.  I am mystified at Lionel's reluctance to have a new tech class, it seems they're waiting until nobody will fix the stuff!

Bruk, your info is a gold mine!  I thank you for your excellent work!  It is invaluable to me; Falcon

Not only is this information extremely helpful, but the detail in your diagrams is truly impressive!! You are a powerpoint master, no doubt! Did you generate all the objects yourself?  I was very impressed with the detail on your LED and Heating Elements 

enginEErjon posted:

Not only is this information extremely helpful, but the detail in your diagrams is truly impressive!! You are a powerpoint master, no doubt! Did you generate all the objects yourself?  I was very impressed with the detail on your LED and Heating Elements 

 

Yes, everything was built from scratch with lines, circles and squares. All shaded and over laid to see what you see.

You are officially the PowerPoint Master, the diagrams are pretty amazing for being rolled from scratch!

Excellent work.  Many thanks for taking the time to do this.

Bruk, I'm a newbie to this train stuff.  It looks like quite a few train buffs are appreciative of your efforts.

I'm here to tell you I sure appreciate your efforts also.  Even though I don't have any of these particular engines, I can appreciate the help they will provide to others at some point in time.  Absolutely Awesome drawings!!!!  It's too bad that Lionel don't produce these same high quality detailed drawings for their products so you have more time to do more fun things.  I'm still trying to diagnose by Thomas & Friend diesel problem and was looking for some technical info on the board as I'm trying to figure out where my sound switch plugs into the board.  (actually there is only one place but I'm not sure the others are in their correct place).  That's how I discovered them.  Tx for your hard work!

thanks great, Lionel documents are always great to have on hand!

WOW! Fantastic job Bruk. Up to now I was unaware of your extraordinary documentation efforts but I just downloaded your epic compilation for potential future reference. 

Thanks again,

Ken

Hotbox posted:

WOW! Fantastic job Bruk. Up to now I was unaware of your extraordinary documentation efforts but I just downloaded your epic compilation for potential future reference. 

Thanks again,

Ken

There will be an update really soon which includes a correction to the batttery hook up on the RS Lite and I will also include a basic diagram on the Bluetooth Reciever. 

And I eagerly await that update Bruk.  Once again I thank you for all the work you've put into these documents, they are invaluable!  Since Lionel doesn't see fit to supply any of this, not to mention no training classes for the last N years, we get the information any way we can.

Bruk, the next update, is that something you are doing or awaiting from Lionel...….?

Its HERE! I finally made time to review and publish yet another updated Version of RCMC/RSLite diagrams! If you want the latest please download by clicking on the Attachment link!

I'm all over it Bruk, THANKS!

This has been an invaluable resource for me as getting this information from Lionel is like pulling hen's teeth.

And, for those of you, like me, who had trouble finding the revised "attachment," it's all the way back in the initial post.

Chuck

I figured that out Chuck after I looked around at Bruk's post and no attachment.

The file attached to this thread is incorrect!

Its for the updated BEMC Diagrams! I must have mixed up the files when I uploaded them both at the same time. I will have to fix this later tonight. Either way they are available here on the site.

I wondered when I opened it, but I didn't have that version anyway.  

All Fixed! I have the correct file attached now.

Great, and now I have both updated documents.

Thanks again for all your work on these, they are incredibly useful!

Thank you Bruk - you ARE THE MAN!

Does anyone know how to check the smoke outputs on the RCMC. I have a new engine that started to smoke like crazy I’ve ran it for 5 minutes between low, med, and high there seams to be no change. It started to smell suspiciously so a cracked it open found a wire to a ground light smashed against the frame by the shell and burned in two. Then check the smoke unit and the batting is chard. Both elements come out to 10ohms, just wanna make sure all is well, if the RCMC regulators are fried it’s a trip back to Lionel but if I can get away with fixing the wire myself and avoid the Lionel trip I’d feel a lot better 

First stop, fix the smoke unit wiring  What I do is power stuff like that up with a variable transformer so it can't get maximum voltage in the case there's still a flaw.  You can check the smoke element control using a 12V automotive bulb, look for one that draws 500-600ma, but a maximum of an amp.  That would be a 6 to 12 watt bulb.  With that across the heater outputs, you should be able to see it go out when you turn the smoke off, and change intensity between low/medium/high.  If all that works, the smoke heater output is probably OK.  This is also how I test TMCC and early Legacy smoke regulators.

Will do thanks GRJ!

@gunrunnerjohn 

while I was thinking of trying your light bulb I realized that I’m going to have to remove the elements to do this sand if it is bad it should be warranty, (don’t want to make it too obvious I suck my nose in it). Out of Curiosity I repacked the unit primed it and like before works good with a suspicious amount of smoke at “low” I checked voltage across the element thinking at the very least that should change but no matter what intensity I was on it’d jump around between 4.3VDC and 4.7VDC occasionally it’d hit 5VDC and might drop just below 4VDC. On the plus side after cleaning the elements and the getting the 10min old factory batting out it didn’t stink. 

The waveforms feeding the smoke resistors make it very difficult to measure voltages, that's why I use a light bulb, it actually reacts to the energy supplied to the bulb and gives a visual indication.

Understood. I’ll have to get myself set up to test stuff like this. I think I’m ok just a little paranoid, fixed the smashed wire and everything is looking ok. Kinda don’t wonder if that bare wire was shorting somewhere sending more current through the elements 

I've had several RCMC equipped engines in that has a wire shorted to ground and it took out the board.  There is no common frame ground for any of the signals on the RCMC, so shorts to ground are usually very bad for it's health.

Has it ever been identified if there is a particular component that dies on the RCMC boards due to shorted to ground?  On the Proto 2 3v boards lots of times its the audio amp.

Just curious if any one has discovered a common failure that we can try.

Jim

Jim, it depends on what line you short to ground.  Since there is no common ground, any lead other than the track power lead should never see frame ground.  I've replaced several common mode chokes, but I don't know if that's a short to ground or they just failed.

  Thank you Bruk for your time and effort,

  This information is PRICELESS! I have referred to it many times converting my engines to Lionel Command Control.

Fantastic    thanks