Right or wrong?

There's nothing wrong with informing them if (1) you know you're right, and (2) you can provide some supporting information to verify that correction.

That I can do. Thanks!!!

If the person is an honest seller, they will appreciate the information, and might even correct their ad.
Don't be surprised if the seller doesn't respond, or responds negatively. There are a lot of people who intentionally misrepresent their goods.

I guess the seller will have to decide to trust me then. Not only letting him know but if Im going to buy something I want him to be sure what it is. I guess if he wants to sell bad enough he might just listen.

I have had this happen before, Items are listed as one brand and I know it is not correct, I send a friendly FYI email and most times get a nice reply back others are not so nice, I had one seller debate with me for several emails it was brand M in a brand K box I sent the MTH page stating the MTH number and picture. and left it at that.

That evening the listing was changed to the correct information.

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Now I'm sure alot of you on here have probably bought on ebay before. Is the common practice on here to tell someone what they are selling is not correct with the photos or do you keep your mouth shut and let them believe that what there selling is what they think it is?

Just like harleyhouse, sometimes the sellers are nice, a few are not.

Guess have to wait and see. Not trying to be know it all but hopefully he will accept my advice and maybe just sell it to me. Ha.

I would share the info on here but don't want to be out bid or anything!!! Already lost the other day!!! Not saying there are voltures on here but dang when it's hot it's hot!!! Got to jump right on it. Would like a second opinion but I believe I can tell there is a mistake in the eBay post!!!!

Always a good idea to ask some sort of question anyway when considering a purchase on the bay. How quickly and in what tone the seller responds will usually determine whether I will bid on the item.

In this case, just ask. I always phrase it in the form of a question, such as ..."Are you sure that's the 1947 version?, rather than say "YOU'RE WRONG!" Usually gets a better conversation going that way!

Jim

Most of the incorrect listings I see are estate sales and the like where the seller isn't the original owner and doesn't know anything about trains. These people are almost invariably grateful for the correct information. I won't bother to send a correction to anyone who is representing himself as knowing something about trains. In that case, you're either dealing with somebody who thinks he knows more than he does, a sleazeball who's deliberately misrepresenting his item, or a big outfit that has the apprentice doing the descriptions and isn't checking his work. None of these are going to take kindly to a correction.

I'm thinking its a estate sell. Got a few different items. Power seller or whatever its called.

Can't hurt to send the info to the seller. I don't bother doing that anymore as many times the seller really does know the correct info and will ignore your telling him/her.

Ok let me do this. Anyone here not looking for a 2353. I'll post it on here. Was trying to email Jim since I know he has a Santa Fe. But not to sure how to do it.

Or, could be just an honest mistake. I KNOW on my web site I've mixed "apples with oranges"......picture wrong, desription not matching, etc,.......and I appreciate ANY feedback that something is wrong.

I wish I could show you ALL that needs to be done on my web site (through GO Daddy)when an item is "listed", it can get to be a mind blowing experience.

....Just my 2 cents worth on the issue.

I dont know if this is how to put a link in but here it is. Well hopefully I just didnt shoot my own foot but all thing I see make me think its actually a 2353. Bad thing is this is what I need. 2353 without mold


http://www.ebay.com/itm/POSTWA...&hash=item3f12bb8685

Looks to be an early 2353 in the wrong boxes. Notched pilot (makes it early), no nose grab irons, plastic louver vents. Horn is in the dummy A, which is correct for the 2353.

It's listed as VG which isn't always acceptable for a warbonnet. Really needs fresh looking paint to look decent. I'd ask questions about the overall appearance...chips, blemishes, cracks, etc. that don't show in photos?

If it's from an estate sale they might have switched boxes by accident. They may even have the correct ones.

Jim

Just who I was looking for. Hi Jim! Yeah that's what I thought to. I tried to email you but said your email was not valid

What's acceptable in those warbonnets is really very subjective. That's why I like to get an idea of who I'm dealing with and what their experience is. There are plenty of these around...might as well get one that fits your needs.

Just noticed that the shell of the dummy isn't seated correctly on the frame at the front. Something else to ask about - stripped/missing screw?

The email in my profile should work OK.

Jim

Hey Jim would you happen to know how many of the 1953 2353's were made? might be a hard one. Most of the ones I'm seeing have the mold on the top. Are the one's without the molds more rare?

I think the mold dimples were added in later runs (after 1953?) to prevent warping of the shell, but I'm not sure. It's been a while since I studied the F3s closely. I'm not sure about total numbers or relative numbers of 1953 versions vs. later versions. I don't think anyone has those figures.

Jim

Ok thanks Jim you have been so helpful!!!!

You're welcome.

Good luck with your hunt!



Added a few photos of my 2353 which I am pretty sure is a 1953 version:















Jim

Yep Jim thats the dummy unit I need!!!! Ebayer emailed back. Sure enough he messed up is relisting.

Hey Jim, interested in selling?!?!?!

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Originally posted by SANTA FE 1953:

Hey Jim, interested in selling?!?!?!

There's a long story about my hunt for this set that began with a Christmas disappointment in 1953 and didn't really end until I got this set a few years ago. The story even made it into OGR magazine a couple years ago!

By the way, anybody notice one possible problem with my set that has bothered me a little, but which some "experts" said happened occasionally.

Jim

I completely understand that. My train was my grandmothers when she was twelve living in San Fransisco. Put in a box for many, many years. My dad set it up once when I was younger and didn't think it worked. Well when my grandparents moved to Florida they gave it away then those people gave it away. But during those transitions the dummy unit disappeared. Then I asked about it was given different numbers, called people and finally ended up the train was only two miles from me. My dad seen it work for the first time 48 years. The really neat thing was an old newspaper from November 16, 1963. Talks about Kennedy asking congress for money, New movies coming out, Elvis Presely and his new fling really neat stuff. So Im just trying to bring a little family history together. Been tough but so close.

Why do you have a switch on the dummy Unit?

By the way, anybody notice one possible problem with my set that has bothered me a little, but which some "experts" said happened occasionally.

Jim[/QUOTE]

Why is there a reverse switch? I can tell you why if thats what your wondering. Well actually more the slot for it

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Originally posted by Jim Policastro:

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Originally posted by SANTA FE 1953:

Hey Jim, interested in selling?!?!?!

There's a long story about my hunt for this set that began with a Christmas disappointment in 1953 and didn't really end until I got this set a few years ago. The story even made it into OGR magazine a couple years ago!

By the way, anybody notice one possible problem with my set that has bothered me a little, but which some "experts" said happened occasionally.

Jim

Is it the third rail rollers?

This is kinda fun!!!!! Hey Jim what do we win if we get it?

Hi Jim.
Looks to me that the pilots are incorrect. The pilots on #2245, #2353, #2354, #2355, and #2356 all have the top bar on the pilot eliminated. Is that it?

Bob

Santa Fe1953,

I am a business man, I do not have time to play cat and mouse with people. That is why, if I can't see it and touch it before I buy it, I don't! I have gotten burned before but because I didn't ask if the item I was buying came with a box, when it arrived without the box from a very reputable seller, I had no case with Ebay. You know what they say about that "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice shame on me!"

However, I have a friend that makes a hobby out of doing business all over the country through EBay (he is retired though).

He advised me that as long as you could get them to show you (in a picture) that an item isn't damaged and to say that an item isn't damaged when it does arrive damaged, as long as you've got written email proof, Ebay will go after them and threaten them with censure and downgrade them (which means they can't sell as easily).

Assuredly, this process takes weeks and in some cases months.

Usually, the seller will refund the whole cost that he paid including shipping to avoid censure and fines. Beware, there are a lot of crooks out there as well as a lot of people looking to sell their stuff (read "junk"). After all times are hard!

My friend has also said to me that he has contacted a lot of honest people as well. Trouble is, I don't have the time to tell the difference, so I prefer buying store bought. Sure, I may pay more but it cuts down the hassle time.

Good luck to you.

Mike Maurice

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Looks to me that the pilots are incorrect. The pilots on #2245, #2353, #2354, #2355, and #2356 all have the top bar on the pilot eliminated. Is that it?
Bob
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Bob,

I think that happened later in the runs with the smooth pilot versions - not with the earlier notched pilot version such as this.

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It's the frame at the front of the power and dummy units. There's a lip that protrudes upward and covers the seam between shell and frame above the pilot area. Keeps the shell from sliding forward.

On earlier frames, this lip extends all the way around the curved front of the frame, such as on my dummy A (second photo). On later frames, this lip ended about midway around the curve near the small front louvers as you can see on the power A photos.

Several F3 experts have assured me that a mixed pair such as these happened occasionally, but it just makes you wonder a little.

It's a good thing I stopped taking all the minute details seriously quite some time ago. I've come to realize that the details are interesting to learn about, but trains are more fun when you just enjoy!

Jim

Darn this means I will never be a rivet counter
Clem

Jim.
You are correct. I overlooked that lip. I never realized that the early run had the earlier pilot with the notch and step. Thanks for the info.

Bob

I always make my comment in the form of a polite questions as if I might be considering a purchase. Ultimatley it is their and the potential buyer's problem.