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I am currently trying to figure out a sound problem on a new SD70 M-2 Lionel Legacy engine.  The engine orginally lost sounds while progressing on a loop layout at a relatively slow speed.  There was some speaker white noise and then no sound at all.  I reset the engine, gave it a new address and the sounds returned.  Then once again the engine sound stopped while running slowly around a loop layout.  I once again tried resetting the engine to factory defaults and this time could not get the sound to return.  But, while testing and blowing the horn I could hear the faintest response.  At this point I pulled the shell off and found that (what I believe is) the sound board was not entirely seated.  I also checked all other boards and plugs.  With the hood off, I tested the engine and the sounds were full strength.  I put the shell back on and tested the engine further and sounds remained normal.  I left the engine on the track, gave it a couple days and tried it again.  No sound, at first, then upon several seconds of running the sound returned.  My question is...  is this a symptom of the sound board not properly seating and would some foam putting pressure on the board from between it and the shell be an plausable solution?  Thank you in advance for any input.
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Originally Posted by N.Q.D.Y.:

       

Do you have a battery installed? Although some will certainly disagree, I have found that fitting a battery helps to prevent odd behavior that can be caused by intermittent power fluctuations from the track.

 


       


No battery, and since I'm testing on a bench when resetting the engine and so forth I don't believe I have any power drops.  I truly believe that the pin and socket connections have something to do with the problem, I'm just not sure how to make these connections more positive.  Thank you for your input.

I believe the sound chip may need to be pulled and reinstalled to get it to seat properly. This has been a "somewhat common" problem posted here on the forum.

 

You'll need a "chip puller" to do it correctly.

 

Wheres gunrunner John?, I imagine this is his area of expertise. 

He'll probably chime in shortly.

I missed this post, but Rick is onto it.  This is a pretty common issue, especially with older RailSounds boards.  The pins on the two PLCC chips develop some oxidation and then they have a poor connection with the socket.  Usually, simply removing them and replacing them in the sockets will solve the issue.

 

Do NOT try to take these out without a PLCC chip puller, you will almost surely break the socket, then you have a bigger issue!  you can usually get these at Radio Shack or many on-line places.

 

It should be your Railsounds power board.  If you have another Legacy or TMCC locomotive, pull the known good board and put it in your engine.  Legacy and TMCC power board will be the same item.  I own several of those engines and have replaced several power boards.

 

It is always a good idea to pull the modular boards and reinstall them.

 

One more thing when putting the body back on.  When you lower the body over the chassis, try to spread the body with your fingers where it is going over the boards.  Those boards are shoe horned and can be moved very easy unless you do everything to prevent the body from moving them and causing no operation or the problem you have reported.

Last edited by Marty Fitzhenry

What wonderful advice, haven't had time to poke around and try any of the suggestions, plan to get to it Sunday.  Will update results.  Work with IC chips and have chip puller, thanks, John, for the heads up on that.  Will possibly post some photos to get definitive on what boards are which.  Thanks again for all the insight, much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Charly:
I am currently trying to figure out a sound problem on a new SD70 M-2 Lionel Legacy engine.  The engine orginally lost sounds while progressing on a loop layout at a relatively slow speed.  There was some speaker white noise and then no sound at all.  I reset the engine, gave it a new address and the sounds returned.  Then once again the engine sound stopped while running slowly around a loop layout.  I once again tried resetting the engine to factory defaults and this time could not get the sound to return.  But, while testing and blowing the horn I could hear the faintest response.  At this point I pulled the shell off and found that (what I believe is) the sound board was not entirely seated.  I also checked all other boards and plugs.  With the hood off, I tested the engine and the sounds were full strength.  I put the shell back on and tested the engine further and sounds remained normal.  I left the engine on the track, gave it a couple days and tried it again.  No sound, at first, then upon several seconds of running the sound returned.  My question is...  is this a symptom of the sound board not properly seating and would some foam putting pressure on the board from between it and the shell be an plausable solution?  Thank you in advance for any input.

My Northern did that going over certain parts of the layout. I put a battery in the tender and it never loses sound now. I think some of the engines have iffy roller pickup issues and the battery supplies the power if this the issue.

 

Update...  We believe that the mother board was putting pressure on the wire bundle underneath it and this was causing the problem.  Not sure what or why, but loosening the board and redistributing the wires seemingly has soved the problem.  Thanks for all the input.  Keeping fingers crossed.  lol.

 

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