Southern pullman

I have this one and a second similar I think. Was a Weaver or MTH Premiere before that I had a fella redo them for us.

It looks nice

When you say another set, what do you have? Lionel did set 15588, that has a baggage, coach, Pullman and Observation in the larger scale heavyweight series. These are the only Southern heavyweight cars NOT painted in the 2-tone Crescent colors that I have come across from Lionel, MTH or K-Line.I think there was a 2 car add-on for this set as well. These were made for a Southern PS-4, I think 1396.

• What are those model numbers. Those are ones I am looking for. I have the 2 tone crescent Madison cars

Here's a shot of the other SR car I have 

Looking good, I’m trying to disk the Lionel ones without paying an arm and leg

From Volume 2 2006 Catalog:

15588 - 4 car Southern Heavyweight      15593 - 2 car Southern Heavyweight      15597 - Southern Heavyweight Diner                  with Stationsounds

All are in Pullman green with Soutbern steam era lettering. 

These are hard to find.

The Southern steam engine, issued about the same time as the above passenger cars is 6-11103.

It is NOT decorated for the Southern Crescent. Cab No. 1403. I have the whole set, engine and 7 cars.

As a side note, this was one of the last "Premium" steamers with TMCC. You could say it is the ultimate in TMCC development.

Beautiful set with smooth running engine. Well worth the hunt.

Just remembered that I used to have an older set of Premiere pullman green SR cars from MTH. Might check their site to get the numbers for them. Nice cars w/full interiors. Another fella locally had one too so I doubt they are 'rare'...

Thanks for all info guys. Also saw some rugged rail mth crescent colored cars with SR and slogan on side that doesn’t say crescent. just don’t want 2 sets that say crescent 

Now if you are talking Heavyweight set, yes MTH did.  My Sets from back in 2000 are (5-car) 20-4036 and (2-car) 20-4136.  I am thinking there was even a later set(s).

Also I recall a RPO car.

Ok I’m an mth fan, looks like I’ll be trying to find those 

As for the MTH heavyweights I think they all had incorrect gold pinstripes on the window band. I have not seen any without them. But I do have a nice looking set of Pullman green Southern 70' smooth side light weight cars that are painted right.

https://mthtrains.com/20-65149

Johnny Winkler posted:

https://mthtrains.com/20-65149

As I recall the sets I have referenced above look like the photos included.

And the set you have actually did NOT exist prototypically.  Southern did have some smoothside dark green cars that came from Central of Georgia.  But NO observation or baggage cars.  There were four coaches #'s 660 thru 663, Dome #1602, and a combine "The Man of War."

Also Southern had NO smoothside cars painted in any green and white scheme as MTH has made in two different designs.

scopedope posted:

The Southern steam engine, issued about the same time as the above passenger cars is 6-11103.

It is NOT decorated for the Southern Crescent. Cab No. 1403. I have the whole set, engine and 7 cars.

As a side note, this was one of the last "Premium" steamers with TMCC. You could say it is the ultimate in TMCC development.

Beautiful set with smooth running engine. Well worth the hunt.

 

Beautiful set. That engine also has the elusive 4 chuffs per revolution with TMCC right?

Johnny Winkler posted:

https://mthtrains.com/20-65149

Could you post a couple of photos of yours Johnny?  The MTH pics leave a lot to be desired and I've not seen these in person before. Although certainly not prototypical, they sound quite nice.

Thanks!

I have time for one pic this morning. They all are painted the same with different numbers of course.

I can't remember the details it's been so long. But I think there is some sort of mistake with the stock numbers for the correct Southern painted heavyweights.  I thought I was getting a correct set as shown by MTH and got the pin stripped set twice.

Those cars look nice

Beautiful set. That engine also has the elusive 4 chuffs per revolution with TMCC right?

You are correct, sir.

I think Ron's MTH set is the only heavyweight made by them with Pullman Green sides, no Crescent colors.

The MTH smooth side cars like Johnny has are postwar streamlined cars without stainless fluting, painted Pullman Green. They have the 1940s - 1950s block lettering, and the gold stripe used from the 50s - 70s, and again in excursion service. The different sets offered were:

20-65179 - Southern 70 foot streamline 5 car set (Bag 549, Coach 660, Coach 662, Dome 1602, Obs                            Raleigh 1160)                                                                                                                                       20-66149 - Southern 70 foot streamline 2 car set (Sleeper Litchfield, Diner 3164)                                         20-67149 - Southern 70 foot streamline Full Length Dome car (Macon)                                                         20-68149 - Southern 70 foot streamline RPO (62)                                                                                               20-69149 - Southern 70 foot streamline 2 car set (Bag 526, Coach 663)

Frankly, only the coaches and dome car are correct for the 1960s era, since the coaches and dome came from the CofG (and used on the Asheville Special until 1975, and later excursion service).

As for the set and cars Ron has, they are heavyweights painted in solid Pullman Green. These sets were:

20-4036 - Southern 70 Foot Madison (Heavyweight) 5 car set (Bag 523, Coaches 1063, 1050, 1052, Obs                     22)                                                                                                                                                           20-4136 - Southern 70 foot Madison (Heavyweight) 2 car set (Combine 658, Diner 4141)

Would have to research these car numbers to determine if any are truly accurate to the 40s - 50s. Combine 658 is the one at Spencer, I believe, but is stored in rough shape. 

Hope this helps in deciphering what MTH has offered in Premier for Southern in Pullman Green.

Johnny Winkler posted:

I can't remember the details it's been so long. But I think there is some sort of mistake with the stock numbers for the correct Southern painted heavyweights.  I thought I was getting a correct set as shown by MTH and got the pin stripped set twice.

Checking the MTH site did find these that do have a pinstripe.

So I am not sure where MTH went more wrong.  The pinstripes on the heavyweights or the complete set of eight smoothside dark green cars were only FOUR are prototypically close to correct.

That said I knowing purchased both the 20-65149 and add-on 20-69149 to get the FOUR cars.  So now have three cars of/or spare parts!

Ron

Ok, the gold stripes at the windows appears to be completely bogus for the Southern. These cars also have the block lettering adopted in 1941. The only correct (or close to correct) are the versions I listed above. 

Check this out for Southern passenger car paint diagrams:

http://southernmodeler.info/PaintDiagrams.htm

Also, a more in-depth overview:

http://southernmodeler.info/Ja...R_Passenger_Cars.pdf

Bottom gold stripe was added to remaining heavyweight and smooth sided lightweight cars in late 1940s. Numbers centered by 1960s. 

This seems to be going way more in depth than the OP was asking for!

WELL, WELL, WELL !!!!

While I was in the niche where my passenger car set are stored to pull out the "Chessie" sets also pulled the Southern 20-4036 and 20-4136 sets.

To my astonishment both these Southern sets have the pinstripes!  Definitely not as I recall.  AND not as advertised in MTH web-site where the pix I posted  11/26 came from. At least the 20-4136 set does have the cars numbers.  But the 20-4036 five car set car numbers differ from the web-site.  Oh well!

My Crescent Limited  sets 20-4077 and 20-4177 (second release under same numbers as first release)  Look fine.  But MTH could NOT get the spelling combine (lounge car) correct. They spelled it "William Moulrie"  should be "Moultrie."

For the heck of it looked at the web-site images and info on the soon to be released Crescent Limited cars 20-40044 and 20-41044.  According to the web-site these cars are numbered NOT named as the Crescent Limited cars were.

Sometimes I wonder how and why I am such a big fan of MTH when they cannot get this stuff CORRECT!

Ron

Lionel got Moultrie correct on my 15 inch aluminum streamliner from the early 1990s.

Lew

I just remembered that about 5 or 7 years ago Golden Gate Imports did a custom run of Southern heavyweights in correct Pullman green. This was an exclusive run for some seller but I forget who.  I doubt you can find any though,maybe post on the wanted O gauge forum.

I 

PRRronbh posted:

WELL, WELL, WELL !!!!

While I was in the niche where my passenger car set are stored to pull out the "Chessie" sets also pulled the Southern 20-4036 and 20-4136 sets.

To my astonishment both these Southern sets have the pinstripes!  Definitely not as I recall.  AND not as advertised in MTH web-site where the pix I posted  11/26 came from. At least the 20-4136 set does have the cars numbers.  But the 20-4036 five car set car numbers differ from the web-site.  Oh well!

My Crescent Limited  sets 20-4077 and 20-4177 (second release under same numbers as first release)  Look fine.  But MTH could NOT get the spelling combine (lounge car) correct. They spelled it "William Moulrie"  should be "Moultrie."

For the heck of it looked at the web-site images and info on the soon to be released Crescent Limited cars 20-40044 and 20-41044.  According to the web-site these cars are numbered NOT named as the Crescent Limited cars were.

Sometimes I wonder how and why I am such a big fan of MTH when they cannot get this stuff CORRECT!

Ron

I guess this explains why I ended up with two sets of pinstriped Southern heavyweights.  A certain dealer that has a lot of Southern stuff sold me a 20-4036 online and said it was the same as catalog photo,but it arrived and was the pinstriped set. When I complained back he told me it was a stock # error. But now we all know MTH made two runs of incorrect pinstriped cars. I later sold the 2nd set for about A 40 dollar loss.

gotta love mth, i hunted for about 6 months for a Southern Kanawha that had the road numbers on tender like website and finally found they didnt make it. glad the black scheme of the 4501 does have numbers though. I am currently lookin for one of them now.

Pennywise11788 posted:

gotta love mth, i hunted for about 6 months for a Southern Kanawha that had the road numbers on tender like website and finally found they didnt make it. glad the black scheme of the 4501 does have numbers though. I am currently lookin for one of them now.

MTH made black and green versions of Southern Kanawhas in 2005 and 2010. You can find a 2005 one here. www.trainloft.com

train loft is my place.  I did want the kanawha until i saw that it said southern on side and no kanawha has its road number on tender. Jeff has a 4501 i do plan to get. i re read my message it does sound like I am saying im looking for a kanawha, sorry but thanks for looking out.  the train loft is my LHS

Okay,I though the 2005 green version had the big numbers on the tender and MTH surprised everyone with Southern across the tender in 2010. I only have the black 2716 made in 2005.

To my knowledge none was made. I even called mth. Which I think is 3 people in a huge factory that doesn’t know anything. After being transferred a bunch they said models on website are unfinished pieces. You think they would change after 10 years though

Johnny Winkler posted:

Pennywise11788 posted:

gotta love mth, i hunted for about 6 months for a Southern Kanawha that had the road numbers on tender like website and finally found they didnt make it. glad the black scheme of the 4501 does have numbers though. I am currently lookin for one of them now.

MTH made black and green versions of Southern Kanawhas in 2005 and 2010. You can find a 2005 one here. www.trainloft.com

I am a little confused here.  We all know that there never was a prototypical Southern Kanawha, right.

 Now in 2006 MTH did deliver the Southernized black Kanawha 2716 from the KRM that the Claytor brothers used in steam excursions from about Oct. 1981 (after 4501 broke in spring) through July 1982.  In fact rode behind her in one of her last excursion trips before being pulled due leaking water.  At the same time MTH released an all green Southern fantasy  "what if" version.  For some reason the Little Choo Choo got six of these.  And to my surprise they sold.  But cannot recall if the tenders had numbers or "Southern" across them.

i like the little choo choo too lol. I would love one with the numbers across. the plot thickens....

 Pennywise11788 posted:

i like the little choo choo too lol. I would love one with the numbers across. the plot thickens....

You are probably familiar with the thread stared a few years back by C.SAM "Southern RR Fans-Photos."  Now I do not recall anyone posting any pictures of the Fantasy Green Southern Kanawha but could have missed it.

But if you go over there could post a shout-out to/for anyone that may have brought one (20-3189-1) road number 2790 to post a pictures.

Ron

PRRronbh posted:

 Pennywise11788 posted:

i like the little choo choo too lol. I would love one with the numbers across. the plot thickens....

You are probably familiar with the thread stared a few years back by C.SAM "Southern RR Fans-Photos."  Now I do not recall anyone posting any pictures of the Fantasy Green Southern Kanawha but could have missed it.

But if you go over there could post a shout-out to/for anyone that may have brought one (20-3189-1) road number 2790 to post a pictures.

Ron

Thanks for telling me about that post. I wish I i was around when those southern water towers were available. I have switch house and barber junction 

Pennywise11788 posted:

Thanks for telling me about that post. I wish I i was around when those southern water towers were available. I have switch house and barber junction 

Does Jeff possibly still have some?  I thought it was he that had them made.

Ron