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Originally posted by Ginsaw:
Does anyone here have the Lionel aluminum 15" Tennessean passenger cars from several years ago? I have these and run them with the post-war 2356 F-3 ABA set. If anyone else is using a similar combination I would love to see some photos (I can't do pics myself unfortunately).

And Sam, I've said it before but I still think that painting is worth serious money. It's that good. Do you have some more of those to show us? What other SR scenes do you think would rate a painting?


Hello do you have the model number for the passenger set you are referring to, and do you remember how much you paid for them?
acecold, it is two set numbers -

6-39119 SOUTHERN ALUM PASSENGER CAR 4-PACK (15" CARS)
6-39157 SOUTHERN ALUM PASSENGER CAR 2-PACK (15" CARS)

I don't remember the cost. But the original cost is unimportant. It's what they go for today that matters, which you can probably find on the auction websites.

p.s. - Neal is right, and also it appears faster...
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And Sam, I've said it before but I still think that painting is worth serious money. It's that good. Do you have some more of those to show us? What other SR scenes do you think would rate a painting?

Thank you Ginsaw for the nice comments about my painting - here is a more modern one called 'Through the Cut' somewhere near Asheville.
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Originally posted by GG1 4877:
I saw Southern Crescent E8s on their final assignments in the lighter green pulling New Jersey DOT trains on the NY&LB circa 1979 / 1980. I'm not sure if they ever did get repainted prior to retirement. When did the E8's get the lighter green color back?


Southern repainted the E-8s into the last green Crescent scheme in 1971-72. The crescent decals on the nose were added by the end of 1972, when they renumbered all remaining E-8s into the 6900 series (some were originally 232- numbers).

I think NJT repainted some of the units they acquired into a silver scheme for a years years as well. I have acquired some slides showing the ex-Sou E-8s renumbered but not repainted in NJT service.

Sean
The second-hand Erie Rairoad Mikados certainly played a key, but brief, wartime role on the AGS subsidiary of the Southern Railway, however I am suprised that you would give them a heads up as a model for representing Southern's Heavy Mikados.

The Ms-4 Mikado was Southern's mainline freight locomotive for 30 years --its "standard" from 1923 to 1953. The Erie Mikados were an emergency purchase in 1942 to supplement power for the Alabama Great Southern leg of the "Tanker Trains" from the Gulf coast to the northeast and heartland war production factories when German U-Boats interrupted, literally stopped, ocean shipping on the American gulf and east coasts.

The seven second-hand Erie Mikados had Vanderbilt oil tenders and were classed by Southern Railway as M-7s. AGS Egineers struggled with the surges and slack take-up of the long tanker trains until they gained more experience and car builders supplied tank cars with better baffling. ........................TIES Magazine.

If an importer issues a decent USRA Heavy Mikado that closely resembles a Southern workhorse Ms-4 Mike I will be first in line to order.

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Neal

Nice Water Tank and there appears to be a very large tank located in the left background of your photo. I need to pick my new tank up from Jeff Konczal at the Train Loft tomorrow.

 

In thinking about last year's discussions, which C. Sam reprised here regarding the Southern Ry photos, I was reminded of how diverse the assigned power was on "The Tennessean", powered variously by the Southern Streamlined #1380 [Washington to Lynchburg], The N&W "J"[Lynchburg to Bristol-over the mountains] and a pair of Southern E6s and likely other E units[Bristol to Memphis].

 

On a very small layout such as I am now building, one could have "The Tennessean" as their only passenger train and still roster quite a lot of diverse passenger power in their Yard along with a passenger 0-6-0 Yard Switcher. I know the pretty Southern PAs also headed "The Tennesean" a few times in later years. 

 

It is interesting to read old Southern publicity wherein they classified all of the Locomotives[including the "J" and all the E units], along with the cars of the Silver Trains, as "Streamliners".

Anyway, it is fun to rationalize from the armchair! 

i hope that those of us who models the southern railroad will purchased these water towers!! remember, the water towers are "uncataloged" and there is only 3 (the train loft, roundhouse south, and legacy station) mth dealers in the united states that have these water towers!!! pick up or order yours today!!!!...............rogerw.

Hey David I shot you an email hope that information helps.

For those wanting information on the NS Heritage Locomotive here's a note from the NCTM.

 

NORFOLK, VA. – Norfolk Southern’s Heritage locomotives will gather for a “family portrait” at the North Carolina Transportation Museum (NCTM) in Spencer, N.C., during the Fourth of July week. All 20 locomotives painted in the color schemes of predecessor railroads will be on display July 3 and 4.
          “This is the first and probably only chance we’ll have to get all these locomotives together in one place at one time,” said Norfolk Southern CEO Wick Moorman. “We’re proud of the role railroads play in keeping the country’s economy strong, and July 4 is an opportune time to showcase that heritage of service and safety.”
Roy Johnson, president of NCTM, said, “With a large roundhouse, turntable, miles of track, and public accessibility, Spencer is the ideal location to make this happen, and we are excited to join Norfolk Southern for this historic event.”
          Tickets for the event are $25 for adults and $15 for children in advance, and $30 for adults and $20 for children the day of the event. Tickets will go on sale beginning [_DATE_] at the NCTM’s web site or by calling 704-636-2889, ext. 237. Norfolk Southern employees and retirees will be eligible for a $5 discount, with a limit of four tickets per purchase. Retirees must purchase tickets by phone to get the discount.
          The Fourth of July week was chosen because of the holiday and because demand for the locomotives in freight service temporarily will be reduced due to the traditional coal miners’ holiday.
          In a related event, on Saturday, July 7, the Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke, Va., will unveil the refurbished Norfolk & Western 1776 locomotive, which was painted in a star-spangled color scheme to commemorate the nation’s bicentennial in 1976 and has just been restored to its original luster.
          Norfolk Southern is producing the Heritage fleet as part of the company’s 30th anniversary celebration. Norfolk Southern was created June 1, 1982, with the consolidation of Southern Railway Company and Norfolk and Western Railway Company, but both of those trace their lineage to hundreds of predecessors dating back to the early 1800s.
          The museum is on the former site of Southern Railway’s Spencer Shops, a steam locomotive servicing facility. After the advent of diesel, Spencer continued to serve as a classification yard into the late 1970s, when Southern donated land and facilities to the State of North Carolina for the establishment of the museum.
          Norfolk Southern Corporation is one of the nation’s premier transportation companies. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary operates approximately 20,000 route miles in 22 states and the District of Columbia, serves every major container port in the eastern United States, and provides efficient connections to other rail carriers. Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the East and is a major transporter of coal and industrial products.

Can anyone confirm what I remember reading onetime - that the SRR PS4 was a hybred - using USRA heavy 4-6-2 lower end(drivers, cyclinders, frame ,etc) but the the boiler and firebox were closer to USRA light 4-6-2 dimensions. Of course it had a Southern style cab roof instead of the tapered roof of USRA locos. Why was boiler made smaller than the USRA heavy 4-6-2?

Originally Posted by DaveJfr0:

Hate to bring up an old topic, but it should get the attention from anyone here that may have the info I seek...

 

1. Does anyone here own either round or oval milepost signs off of the Southern Railway?

If you do, email me.

 

2. Can anyone tell me how the diamond shaped speed limit sign worked with all possibilities of numbers on there?

 

3. Same as #2, but for the whistle stop posts.  How many combos of long and short were there for those signs?

 

 

PS - Spencer is hosting a photoshoot with all of the NS heritage units on July 4th or so.  $25 advance tickets.  I'm sure you can find more info on a google search.

David,

 

Did anyone come forward with a Southern milepost sign? I have the 188 MP from the Altavista / Hurt area of Virginia (bought legally, I might add). As for #3, the only two possibilities that I know of are the standard two long, short and long and some with two longs, followed by 2 shorts (supposedly for branch line service). 

 

I would have to be with the market and go with the Green FP-7 since I remember seeing them on the head end of the Piedmont when I was a kid. I also remember being used as fill in power for the Southern Steam Specials and for the Southern Business train.  Lokking at the lettering it appears that 3rd is using the as delivered lettering and font size for the FP-7.

I love the Tuxedo decoration but my Southern era ends in 1953 along with steam. Got to go with the green FP-7.

My Sunset E7 just arrived via UPS but family visitors preclude me checking it out until tomorrow. It is one of the few "stinking diesels" I allow on my layout although the E8s barely made the 1953 cut.

Hi Neal

Yes I have the Lionel E6s. [variously the power used for the Tennessean, Southerner and Crescent  "Silver Trains" at the beginning of WWII. Along with the Ps-4 1380 for one leg of the Tennessean for a while].

Also have the mid-90s Weaver E8s[conventional] and a Williams E7 [converted to TM/RS 4.0].

MTH Pretty Southern PAs also remain a favorite  [T/A Studios TMCC conversion].

 Having said all of the above, I much prefer steam power on my railroad and "stinking" diesel on my FWD John Deeres [Slightly off-shade Southern green of course].

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Whoa!

I just started to open my new Sunset EMD E7 A unit carton[but didn't] and noticed it is marked "2 Rail". Not my order--some 2-railer located somewhere has a 3-rail unit he or she probably doesn't want.

Emailed Sunset for instructions regarding a return and replacement. Also noted that the carton was delivered with a puncture/gouge in the bottom of the outer carton.

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