Check out the new 2011 Lionel catalog - several Southern items listed, including:
Black S-2 in 3 different models (Legacy, Conventional and Dummy)
Black U30C in 2 models (2 different powered numbers)
Scale stock car
Scale 2 bay hopper
Lionel is finally working their way down south again!
quote:Originally posted by DaveJfr0:
Hopefully they correct that U30C and make it Hi-hood as lo-hood is incorrect for SOU.
Unfortunately, I would not count on it. The S2 looks really nice, though.
Just figured out how to post photos (finally) so sorry I'm late to the dance! These are my most recent Southern acqusitions...unfortunately I haven't found the 4th road number yet and I'm still hoping to add the black N&W Atlas Hy-Cubes to run with these.
quote:Originally posted by Larry Neal:
Check out the new 2011 Lionel catalog - several Southern items listed, including:
Black S-2 in 3 different models (Legacy, Conventional and Dummy)
Black U30C in 2 models (2 different powered numbers)
Scale stock car
Scale 2 bay hopper
Lionel is finally working their way down south again!
To the best of my knowledge, this catalog has the most Southern item I have seen in any one catalog that Lionel has offered. Maybe they finally realize there is now a market here.
Also, you did not mention the Southern Early inspection vehicle which will be a must have for me.
All in all, a great catalog!
Happy railroading,
Don
I would be tempted by the new Lionel Southerns, but over the last several years I've already loaded up with Atlas Southern - GP-35s, SD-40s, F-3s and most recently the MP-15
My advice about any of it is, if you see something you really like, go ahead and order because it may get cancelled otherwise. I found that out when I wanted some other roadnames, MoPac in Alco FA for one.
I don't know how many orders they have to have. With Atlas, I've never heard of anything Southern being cancelled.
My advice about any of it is, if you see something you really like, go ahead and order because it may get cancelled otherwise. I found that out when I wanted some other roadnames, MoPac in Alco FA for one.
I don't know how many orders they have to have. With Atlas, I've never heard of anything Southern being cancelled.
i think that it is great that lionel is producing more southern diesel engines and southern/norfolk-southern rolling stock. i especially like the new accessories ex: telephone poles, house under construction, surburban house, 4 story building, etc. i haven't decided on what accessory i may purchase. i think lionel is now noticing that there is a market for southern items. i always felt like if we (southern fans) purchased the southern products that were offered from the manufacturers ( mth, atlas o), lionel would eventually start making more southern product. maybe now we can finally get one of the major manufacturers to finally make the southern/norfolk-southern products we really would like to have.....................rogerw.
The Lionel website shows there is a partial shipment of the Southern Heritage SD70Ace headed out to dealers.
Ginsaw
I was scrolling and just saw your question regarding the Weaver observation car. The Weaver model observation car "Washington" is labeled on the rear center as the "Tennessean" and is incorrect based on Southern's old advertisements shown in TIES Magazine.
Photos of the Tennessean and Southerner observation cars shown side by side show the Tennessean with the blunt rear as shown in the model in Neal Jeter's post above. The Southerner is a boattail.
I was scrolling and just saw your question regarding the Weaver observation car. The Weaver model observation car "Washington" is labeled on the rear center as the "Tennessean" and is incorrect based on Southern's old advertisements shown in TIES Magazine.
Photos of the Tennessean and Southerner observation cars shown side by side show the Tennessean with the blunt rear as shown in the model in Neal Jeter's post above. The Southerner is a boattail.
Ginsaw,
The K-Line business car was also made for the Santa Fe. The car came in both 21" and 18" lenght.
I'm aslo suprised that lionel has a lot of Southern items in there catalog for a change. I'm looking to get the S2 Switcher the 4-4-2 would have been nice if it wasn't a pennsy engine with Southern lettering. The U30C would have been a must have but the unit in the catalog isn't prototypical since the Southern U30C where highhoods. Over all it a good sign from Lionel to see them make more Southern items can wait to see what MTH is going to offer!
The K-Line business car was also made for the Santa Fe. The car came in both 21" and 18" lenght.
I'm aslo suprised that lionel has a lot of Southern items in there catalog for a change. I'm looking to get the S2 Switcher the 4-4-2 would have been nice if it wasn't a pennsy engine with Southern lettering. The U30C would have been a must have but the unit in the catalog isn't prototypical since the Southern U30C where highhoods. Over all it a good sign from Lionel to see them make more Southern items can wait to see what MTH is going to offer!
If enough of us write to Lionel about the high hood U30Cs maybe they will do one. I don't know what it would entail to convert the existing molds for the low hood U30Cs to a high hood. Would it take an entirely new mold for a high hood U30C?
Neal Jeter
Neal Jeter
Speaking of Southern photos, maybe y'all can help me ID one. I'll have to describe it, since I can't post pics here (yet).
It's a b/w photo I got a long time ago and shows a Pacific type on a turntable. The engine is Southern proper, not one of the subs. It appears painted in the Crescent scheme.
The number is what has me puzzled on IDing it. I can only read the first two and the fourth number. It's 13 something O. The third number may be either a 5 or an 8, possibly even a 9.
This would I think make it either a Ps-2 or Ps-4.
The thing is, there's no Elesco feedwater heater, and I don't know if ALL Ps-4s had Elescos or just some.
Can you guys help? The photo's from the engineer's side. Maybe there are other IDing features you can think to look for.
Btw, I also have another nice Southern pic, which I was able to ID after taking a magnifying glass to the road number. It's AGS #6692 Ts-1, a Baldwin product of 1919. It's shown coupled to a heavyweight passenger or front end type car. Since it's b/w I can't tell for sure if the engine is painted green.
It's a b/w photo I got a long time ago and shows a Pacific type on a turntable. The engine is Southern proper, not one of the subs. It appears painted in the Crescent scheme.
The number is what has me puzzled on IDing it. I can only read the first two and the fourth number. It's 13 something O. The third number may be either a 5 or an 8, possibly even a 9.
This would I think make it either a Ps-2 or Ps-4.
The thing is, there's no Elesco feedwater heater, and I don't know if ALL Ps-4s had Elescos or just some.
Can you guys help? The photo's from the engineer's side. Maybe there are other IDing features you can think to look for.
Btw, I also have another nice Southern pic, which I was able to ID after taking a magnifying glass to the road number. It's AGS #6692 Ts-1, a Baldwin product of 1919. It's shown coupled to a heavyweight passenger or front end type car. Since it's b/w I can't tell for sure if the engine is painted green.
My question here could probably use a little refining.
Does anyone know if Ps-2 locos had Elesco feedwater heaters or not? And, did all the 1300 number range locos in the Ps-4 class have them? That would ID my photo.
Does anyone know if Ps-2 locos had Elesco feedwater heaters or not? And, did all the 1300 number range locos in the Ps-4 class have them? That would ID my photo.
All Southern Ps-2 did not have Elesco Feedwater Heater.
Ps-4 1360-1392 have Worthington
Ps-4 1393-1408 have Elesco
while 1409 was the only Ps-4 to have a Coffin Type.
Ps-4 1360-1392 have Worthington
Ps-4 1393-1408 have Elesco
while 1409 was the only Ps-4 to have a Coffin Type.
Thanks Sean. That then looks like the answer. My picture therefore must be of Ps-4 #1380 (with a Worthington instead of an Elesco) somewhere long ago on a turntable. Now I just need to figure out what places Southern would have turned this engine...
1380 was picked to be streamlineded because it lacked the Elesco Feedwater Heater. I know at most of Southern Division points had turntables. I was told that Charlotte had two turntables. One was located just south of the location of the Old Passenger Station while the other turntable was located in the freight yard.
I know that Greensboro,NC Spencer,NC Greenville,SC Atlanta,GA all had turntables I'm not sure about Ives City in Washington.D.C
I know that Greensboro,NC Spencer,NC Greenville,SC Atlanta,GA all had turntables I'm not sure about Ives City in Washington.D.C
Sean and SR crew, I put that Crescent scheme photo under a strong magnifying glass and very bright light to re-check the number. Then I could just make out the full number on the plate hanging under the headlight. It is indeed #1380 in its pre-streamlined condition. I'm rather pleased with that.
And it jives with what Sean said about which engines lacked the Elesco heater.
So it appears it's a pic of something rather special, the #1380 in original condition. And I didn't even know of the streamlined Tennessean when I acquired the photo.
Is any more known of its history, maybe what it pulled or where it ran before it became the Tennessean?
Also, that AGS Mountain Ts-1 #6692 that I have the old photo of - would it have been green, and what passenger trains would it have pulled?
And it jives with what Sean said about which engines lacked the Elesco heater.
So it appears it's a pic of something rather special, the #1380 in original condition. And I didn't even know of the streamlined Tennessean when I acquired the photo.
Is any more known of its history, maybe what it pulled or where it ran before it became the Tennessean?
Also, that AGS Mountain Ts-1 #6692 that I have the old photo of - would it have been green, and what passenger trains would it have pulled?
As Sean mentioned the #1380 was picked because it didn't have an Elesco FW Heater. The other reason--it was already at Spencer for a major overhaul and drew the lucky number!
There are B&W photos of #1380 before streamlining included in the various Southern Railway books.
There are B&W photos of #1380 before streamlining included in the various Southern Railway books.
Tillotson's book "Southern Railway Steam Trains" Volume 1- Passenger includes a chapter on the "Queen." This chapter includes a great pic of the unstreamlined 1380 on the turntable at Wshington D.C.Ivy City.
Bye the way Otto Kuhler never got paid for his design by the Southern!
Ron
Bye the way Otto Kuhler never got paid for his design by the Southern!
Ron
I received the new Lionel Southern Railway Heritage SD70Ace from Legacy Station.
Neal Jeter
Neal Jeter
Just arrived this week for Bob Thatcher of AMHobbies Atlas O Trainman AAR 3 bay 70 ton hoppers.
Neal,
Glad to see the NS Southern Southern heritage unit looks better in person than what was published in the catalog.
Glad to see the NS Southern Southern heritage unit looks better in person than what was published in the catalog.
Trying to learn how to properly decal. This is a Sunset brass Pullman now with a Southern assigned car name.
Nice job!
Thanks.
For those who might be interested a Train Bulletin Board from what appears to be the Bristol station went for over a thousand dollars on ebay.
Southern Railway Train Bulletin
Southern Railway Train Bulletin
Well my Wife and my Parent got me one of the best birthday presents I could ever ask for. So instead of them buying me a train I had the chance to operate one.
So yesterday I spent the late afternoon running the NC Transportation Museum Southern GP30 #2601 around the complex.
First part was learning hand signals from the brakeman walking over the locomotive and going over the controls in the cab.
Glad this wasn't the first time at the controls before I did have 30min time running the NS Locomotive simulator back in 2004. But still that was just a simulator this was a real running locomotive.
In the 1st 15 mins of stopping backing up and stopping the instructor and brakeman gave me the all clear to head southbound to the end of the lead track into the museum. After arriving at the end on the lead my instructor jumped out to grab a few pic of me in the cab and boarded the train. He told me if I had ever ran a locomotive before.....I told him no but this was in my blood so everything came natural to me. I know guy's that work for the railroad and know that it's just a job to them. But yes there's two different things in being a railfan and a railroad employee. But for one hour I got to live a life long dream thanks to my family and that was good enough for me!
So yesterday I spent the late afternoon running the NC Transportation Museum Southern GP30 #2601 around the complex.
First part was learning hand signals from the brakeman walking over the locomotive and going over the controls in the cab.
Glad this wasn't the first time at the controls before I did have 30min time running the NS Locomotive simulator back in 2004. But still that was just a simulator this was a real running locomotive.
In the 1st 15 mins of stopping backing up and stopping the instructor and brakeman gave me the all clear to head southbound to the end of the lead track into the museum. After arriving at the end on the lead my instructor jumped out to grab a few pic of me in the cab and boarded the train. He told me if I had ever ran a locomotive before.....I told him no but this was in my blood so everything came natural to me. I know guy's that work for the railroad and know that it's just a job to them. But yes there's two different things in being a railfan and a railroad employee. But for one hour I got to live a life long dream thanks to my family and that was good enough for me!
What a great day Sean! Congratulations and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Nice going Sean! I hope you got your Railway Brotherhood Union Card--needed for retirement benefits. 
Based on your facial expression I have a feeling you really enjoyed the experience.
Congratulations.
Based on your facial expression I have a feeling you really enjoyed the experience.
Congratulations.
What a great present, Happy Birthday Sean, you'll treasure it as the best ever until your next "driving" opportunity.
It's really worth it!!
I now have the urge to want to work for a short line on the weekends!!
The former Piedmont and Norther line is under going a complete rebuild
with the line from Ranlo,N.C. to Gastonia ,N.C. to be completed 1st.
so there's hope for me yet!!
I now have the urge to want to work for a short line on the weekends!!
The former Piedmont and Norther line is under going a complete rebuild
with the line from Ranlo,N.C. to Gastonia ,N.C. to be completed 1st.
so there's hope for me yet!!
That is a great birthday present Sean!
Jeff
Jeff
Jeff,
Larry was a real pleasure to talk to after talking with him
I'm thinking about joining the staff at the Museum.
Larry was a real pleasure to talk to after talking with him
I'm thinking about joining the staff at the Museum.
Awesome birthday present! I wish I lived closer to Spencer.
Neal Jeter
Neal Jeter
Southern Folks:
The SOUTHERN RAILWAY HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION[SHRA]25th Anniversary Convention called the "Spencer Special" will be held in Spencer and adjacent Salisbury [Holiday Inn] on May 20-22, 2011. The SHRA is all volunteer and publishes the TIES Magazine, former in-house magazine of the Railroad itself.
Memberships are $25 annually--$38 for a Sustaining Membership. It is worthwhile for those interested in the Southern,Central of Georgia, "old" Norfolk Southern, Alabama Great Southern, Cincinnati New Orleans & Texas Pacific,[CNO& TP], New Orleans & Northeastern and the dozens of other subsidiary lines that made up the Southern.[including my Hometown Atlantic & Yadkin RY of course
].
-Night Photo Shoot at the Roundhouse.
-Round Trip to Greensboro by DOT Train.
-Tours of the Historic Depots.
-Special Ceremony at the Museum.
-Jim Wrinn, Trains Editor is Banquet Speaker.
- Exclusive Tour of Spencer Shops.
The SOUTHERN RAILWAY HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION[SHRA]25th Anniversary Convention called the "Spencer Special" will be held in Spencer and adjacent Salisbury [Holiday Inn] on May 20-22, 2011. The SHRA is all volunteer and publishes the TIES Magazine, former in-house magazine of the Railroad itself.
Memberships are $25 annually--$38 for a Sustaining Membership. It is worthwhile for those interested in the Southern,Central of Georgia, "old" Norfolk Southern, Alabama Great Southern, Cincinnati New Orleans & Texas Pacific,[CNO& TP], New Orleans & Northeastern and the dozens of other subsidiary lines that made up the Southern.[including my Hometown Atlantic & Yadkin RY of course
].-Night Photo Shoot at the Roundhouse.
-Round Trip to Greensboro by DOT Train.
-Tours of the Historic Depots.
-Special Ceremony at the Museum.
-Jim Wrinn, Trains Editor is Banquet Speaker.
- Exclusive Tour of Spencer Shops.
Congratulations on your cab experience Sean. I am a retired engineer but I will never forget that first time behind the throttle like you did. Spencer looks like a fun place.
Ray
Ray
MTH recently shipped this Premier 20-97727 50' airslide hopper in Southern.
Neal Jeter
Neal Jeter
My new RK Scale RS-1. This is the best detailed Railking engine I have seen. Lots of add-on details,great sound,and smokes like an Alco should. Also,its painted to match the real Southern #405,down to the Atlantic & East Carolina reporting marks. MTH really stepped it up with this one. I hope when the GP9 from the same catalog is finally released it is as well done as the RS-1.My crappy pictures really don't do it justice,but I never claimed to be a photographer.
hey mike! I like it!!!!!........roger
What someone could do is make a list of extremely accurate O Gauge and O Scale items for Southern RR, Sandersville, and Central of Georgia, as well as a list of very close and inaccurate SOU, SAND, and CoG O gauge and O scale items. Mention what was details are right and what when wrong.
Andrew
Andrew
Dear Friends
I love those Southern Crescents! I got to see the real deal in person at the Southeastern Railway Museum and would love to have one.
I saw it on Key Models' site, but there was no ordering information.
Is this a discontinued model?
--Jaddie
I love those Southern Crescents! I got to see the real deal in person at the Southeastern Railway Museum and would love to have one.
I saw it on Key Models' site, but there was no ordering information.
Is this a discontinued model?
--Jaddie
