Super Chuffer Install

Hi Gary,

Follow the diagram and double check your wiring.

@Gary Marsh posted:

Hi gunrunnerjohn I just purchased a couple of your Super Chuffer's for my Lionel locomotives. I saw a video from OscalerUP on YouTube and he installed his on a 6-11131 UP 844 which is the locomotive I want to do. I've never done one of these and I wanted to ask you a couple install questions. Pin 1 is pos. Red wire? Pin 2 is the Black ground?  Pin5 to center lead on the chuff switch?  Pin 6 is the fan black wire?  Pin 9 does it go to the Black regulator wire? Pin 10 is the Red fan wire? Now does one wire from the Cab light go to Pin 8 and the other to Pin 1? And do you attach both headlight wires to Pin 3 & 4? And does Pin 7 stay open or do you ground it? I going to install the other Super Chuffer on Lionel 6-28064 Challenger but I want to learn as much as I can before I do them. Can you recommend any other video's that would help me do this. Thanks for your advise on this.

Gary

You're working with a Legacy locomotive, so you are going to run into one issue.  The Legacy chuff is on chuff switch opening, and TMCC is on chuff switch closed.  Also, this locomotive already has chuffing smoke, what to you hope to gain with the Super-Chuffer?  I'm curious how OscalerUP got this working.  The sound and smoke chuffs won't be synchronized with the stock Super-Chuffer, the smoke will puff, then the chuff will happen.  I actually created a special version so I could put it into a Legacy 10-Wheeler, see my thread here: Improving the Lionel Legacy 10-Wheeler.  If you want to upgrade a Legacy locomotive, you'll need a replacement microprocessor with the special code, drop me an email.

Do NOT connect pin-3 and pin-4 together!  Pin-3 comes from the R2LC headlight output and pin-4 ONLY goes to the LED headlight.

Pin-2 and pin-7 are connected together, the extra ground was provided to make it easier to connect things, you don't need to parallel them.

The cab light in this model should already be controlled, so you don't have to tinker with that.

Pin-9 goes to the hot side of the smoke power, that tells the Super-Chuffer when the smoke is enabled.  Pin-10 is the positive side of the smoke fan motor.

Read the instructions, especially note the table that describes the ten pins and their function.

@superwarp1 posted:

Follow the diagram and double check your wiring.

Good idea, but that's for TMCC without a smoke regulator.  I never made a diagram for Legacy as at the time I never perceived the need.  However, many of the early Legacy models benefit from the Super-Chuffer, it really made a difference in my Legacy 10-Wheeler.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

You're working with a Legacy locomotive, so you are going to run into one issue.  The Legacy chuff is on chuff switch opening, and TMCC is on chuff switch closed.  Also, this locomotive already has chuffing smoke, what to you hope to gain with the Super-Chuffer?  I'm curious how OscalerUP got this working.  The sound and smoke chuffs won't be synchronized with the stock Super-Chuffer, the smoke will puff, then the chuff will happen.

Simple on that engine I was able to get to the chuff switch. And I tapped the NO terminal. I don’t know why I was determined to do it that way if I did it over I would’ve dropped you an email for a different chip. Not my best install of anything or best video for that matter (a lot of it was on the fly) when that engine gets cracked opened again for maintenance I’ll probably rework some stuff I wasn’t proud of. I did mention a number of times in the video that I was going the way to use the other side of the switch and that if wanted to contact you for a different microprocessor

Hello gunrunnerjohn I saw the YouTube video from OScalerUP titled Super-Chuffer and YLB Upgrade which is a 35 minute video. I was interested in doing this locomotive because it doesn't smoke much at all. I've replaced the batting and the Smoke resistor with not much luck in producing more smoke. So when I saw his results on the 6-11131 I thought that would be a good way to increase the smoke output on mine. But if your saying it won't do me any good to install it on this locomotive I guess I would be better off putting it on the 6-28064 Challenger if you think that would help me  increase the smoke on that Loco. Will the Super Chuffer help and work on the 6-28064 Challenger without creating an issue? I found this email in your OGR profile is where I should contact you at? OGRforums@will-enterprises.com Thanks Gary

Hi Zachariah was that your video on YouTube? Are you OScalerUP? If so did installing the Super Chuffer increase the smoke output on the 6-11131? I was going to install it after what I say on you video but if gunrunnerjohn is say that it will come with issues if I put it in. Did you have any problems after you installed the Super Chuffer on this loco? I'm guessing that you read the comments above from gunrunnerjohn. Let me know if you don't mind if you think it's worth installing to increase the smoke on the 844.

Gary

Yes Gary that was my video. I’ll stand behind the super-chuffer. Smoke unit wise all it controls is the fan motor, witch it does a very good job at and adds the idle smoke. I have intermittent smoke volume it seams like it is recommended to replace the 6ohm element with a 8 as the 6 was killing AC Regulators. I have yet to do that. I was also going to try replacing my regulator in case it was acting up but I completely forgot about the Lionel parts sale to get it 1/2 off. Basically the super-chuffer is a great upgrade but if you have smoke volume issues I’d check batting and replace the element and see what that does

Tapping the other side of the chuff switch is an alternate way to deal with the synchronized chuff.  I didn't do that with the 10-Wheeler (my first Legacy install) as the switch was buried and I had to take a lot of stuff off to get to it.  Being in possession of the code, it was much easier to change a line of code and burn a custom microprocessor.

If you want to see the 844 in action after the install checkout this video and go to the end where we are running the train. These videos get a little more time and better thought out compared to my personal videos

Well, I see 844, and since it has a Rule-17 headlight, I assume it does have the Super-Chuffer.  However, I don't see any smoke!

Whoops maybe I should’ve watched it again to check. But exactly it sometimes works great and others it’s real faint

That's the sign of the regulator fading out.  I have several in my dead parts box that do the same thing.

Well that bites since I forgot to put my parts order in for the 1/2 off sale

The regulator gets and processes the smoke commands directly from the serial data, and then it controls the smoke element.  So, if the smoke unit has been checked, and the resistor screws are tight, not much else to go wrong.  Obviously, checking the wiring and smoke connector would be something I'd check.