Tender Question....... need help

All the 2046 types are the same size.  You might of gotten a 1110, which I believe is smiliar, but much smaller.  They came with non-whistle chassis in cheapie sets...

Marty

Here is a link that might be of some help, it shows what tenders came with what engines::      http://www.tandem-associates.c..._trains_736_loco.htm

Marty

There were also some 2046 type shells made for tenders with the modern type (circuit board equipped) air whistle. While these shells will fit on the postwar tender frame, there is not enough clearance under the coal pile for the postwar whistle assembly.

When you say it is too small, by how much? A couple of thousands of an inch? I have had 2046 style repo. tender shells that were too tight and would not fit on the frame. What I had to do was take a Dremel tool with a grinding bit a grind off some of the pad on the inside of the shell at the ends where the body mounts to the frame on the ends to clear the screw mounting bracket on the frame. The repo shell was slightly too short.

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I ordered a 2046w tender shell on the bay and it's too small. Was there two sizes of scoop tenders? This is for a Lionel 736 Bershire. Thanks in advance. Don

There are different size tender shells that look the same (streamline in this case) but vary in size by quite a bit. It is easy for someone not closely familiar with this to error on the part number say between a 1130T (short) and a 2046T (long).

Bogie

No it's not just a little small. She advertised it as a 2046W shell and it's not. It's a 1130T. This is the second time this has happened. It's hard to tell by the pictures and like Bogie said people don't know the difference. It's way small next to the 2026.She said she "researched" it and it was the right one. I will get my money back. Still looking for a shell. Don

Don, are you going to re-letter this? You didn't specify a road name - Lionel Lines or Pennsylvania.

Dave

Lionel Lines, I'm selling off my 50's Berkshires and some other older Lionel stuff. They have been siting in boxes for years and two moves. The 726rr will come with a die-cast 726 tender but the plastic tender shell got busted in the last move. Don

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No it's not just a little small. She advertised it as a 2046W shell and it's not. It's a 1130T. This is the second time this has happened. It's hard to tell by the pictures and like Bogie said people don't know the difference. It's way small next to the 2026.She said she "researched" it and it was the right one. I will get my money back. Still looking for a shell. Don

Don - You're right, it's hard to tell sometimes by a photo. I started counting the vertical rows of "rivets" whenever I was looking for tender shells. IIRC, the 2046 has 6 rows while only 5 for the smaller shell. 

Rich, good point, I'll do that next time. Don

Mikes Trains andHobbies in Lompoc,Ca have the tender shells that you are looking for and he knows what he is selling.

Mikey

I have 2046-compatible shells for sale here:

https://ogrforum.com/...w-tender-body-shells

They were made by Lionel in the modern-era, and are NOT reproductions. They have the 2671W number molded into the rear plate, but they're the same shells used with the 2046.

Shoot me an e-mail if you can use any.

TRW

Jeff at the Train Tender world be able to get the correct tender shell to you.

Richard

There have been a few different outfits making reproduction shells for 2671/2046W tenders.
I prefer the ones that Bob Geller had made. I don't think he makes them any longer, but they are available.

IMHO, Modern era Lionel shells are a good fit too. Some of them have a baffle and a post cast inside the shell. They have to be removed in order for the shell to fit over the postwar whistle assembly. Other than that, I have not run across any that would not fit on a postwar 2046W chassis with whistle assembly.

I just looked at one of the shells I mentioned in an earlier post. It has "2671W-6" molded inside of the rectangle and "1993", which appears to be white paint, above the rectangle. This is the shell that lacks height clearance for a postwar whistle. It also lacks a road name though that location is smooth for decal application.  

TRW, I'm getting ready to sell a Berkshire so I need a shell that's Lionel Lines and original. Thank you for looking. Don

Also note with modern era Lionel 2046 type tender shells that the square cut-out behind the coal pile has been filled, and this was the air intake for the whistle. If left intact no, or very weak whistle sound. Just the motor sound. The ones TRW shows would not be a good candidate unless some cutting and filing surgery first.

Just goes to show that there is always something to learn.

I finally got around to trying out a Postwar Lionel 2046W whistling tender that has a Modern Lionel shell without any openings. The whistle sounded fine to me. It did not seem muffled or low.

The air is drawn in though the tender floor, by the water scoop.
There are a few small openings in the tender body, they appear to be for plugs or wires.