Here's the Brute on display in the B&O Freight yards June 1924.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/182...ze=_original#caption
Ron M
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Great picture! The people are actually more interesting than the engine!
Now I know that there really was a BRUTE!
Any idea about the actual size on the prototype?
Originally Posted by John Meixel:
Great picture! The people are actually more interesting than the engine!
I agree. So much to take in... the steam shovel, trolley, even the Bipolar had a plow fitted under the frame...
Great photograph, so much to look at. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks for the link... it is a fantastic picture!
If you ever get the chance to visit the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, it is worth the trip:
Did you notice that nearly everyone - kids included - are wearing hats and ties?
another vantage point here.
Originally Posted by artyoung:
Did you notice that nearly everyone - kids included - are wearing hats and ties?
A different generation My late grandpa, born in 1898 wore a tie nearly every day. I remember him working in his shop with it tucked in his shirt when running the lathe and he had a tie on when he fired up the ol' Lawnboy push mower to cut the grass.
Originally Posted by ron m:
Here's the Brute on display in the B&O Freight yards June 1924.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/182...ze=_original#caption
Ron M
Wow, that's some locomotive!
I know this is a tinplate forum, but did anybody count those rivets? LOL
Did you also notice that those pictures had to have been taken very close together in time. The same kid (obviously a budding rivet counter) with both hands resting on his hips (upsweeping haircut and tennis shoes and looking up at the engine) is in both shots.
Originally Posted by John Meixel
The people are actually more interesting than the engine!
Not if you are a Milwaukee Road fans!
Bob Nelson
Does anyone know the power requirement for the motor? That itithe voltage and amp draw under load.
Brad
Originally Posted by AGHRMatt:
Any idea about the actual size on the prototype?
Here's your answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...Bi-Polar_drawing.jpg
Ron M
Originally Posted by BradF:
Does anyone know the power requirement for the motor? That itithe voltage and amp draw under load.
Brad
Brad,
Not definitive but the overhead supplied 3,000 v DC to 12 traction motors. The wheel base was 1B-D-D-B1.
FWIW Going downgrade the traction motors became generators and pumped energy back to the overhead.
Ron M
I credit the Brute for getting me back into O-gauge. At the time the Brute was cataloged I had drifted away from O-gauge and was purchasing and operating reproduction standard gauge trains. The Brute was too big and cost more $$$ than I was willing to spend for a display piece. I really liked the look of the Milwaukee Road Bipolar and knew that MTH had cataloged this motor a few times in O-gauge. I purchased an early PS2 version in the orange and maroon paint and was blown away when it arrived by how nice it looked and operated.
I had entered into O-gauge and collected mostly SF/UP/SP due to my fascination with the desert southwest. By the time the Bipolar arrived I had been to Montana and Idaho a few times on vacation and decided to change my O-gauge focus to railroads that operated in the pacific northwest. Now I operate Milwaukee, GN and NP. Of course the UP still fits too.
I picked up another Bipolar from the buy/sell board in black. I operate this with a set of heavy weight cars painted in the orange and maroon and it looks awesome!
I have one standard gauge Bipolar - the IVES 3245R in orange and black. I think this is the nicest proportioned standard gauge version of this motor done. The super 381 is a close second place.
The pics posted in this thread are great - even if they may only appeal to a Milwaukee Road fan. Thanks for posting.
Andrew
Originally Posted by ron m:
Here's the Brute on display in the B&O Freight yards June 1924.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/182...ze=_original#caption
Ron M
Or this one:
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Above photo clearly illustrates why this behemoth is appropriately called the BRUTE! 
It was interesting to note that the Wikipedia drawing shows the pantograph moved to over the hoods. I do not recall ever seeing any photographs with the pans anywhere except on the cab roofs.
FYI:
Bipolar pantographs were ALWAYS mounted on CAB roofs.
The BEST, and most accurate (three page fold-out - 1/4" scale) drawing of this loco was done by Al Armitage in the February, 1993 issue of Mainline Modeler, pages 58-60. Front cover has nice reproduction of a color painting of a bipolar with passenger train.
Also, nice article with photos on pages 61-64.
According to the caption, the Wikipedia drawing actually came from the 1922 Locomotive Cyclopedia. The only thing I can figure is maybe it was a pre-production drawing and the location of the pans was changed before the units were actually built.
