Daniel - real beauties...is the engine clockwork or electric?

Best wishes

Don

Thanks Don,this one is electric 20v AC with auto reverse mech.

If you enjoy clockwork ones here are two models,

The first one is from 1925, missing a step on the back of the cab.

And a more common models from the thirties, both of those locos are stamped "made in England" for the French market,

All my best wishes, Daniel

Daniel - Thanks for posting, they are magnificent...watch out some day I may come to France and want to see them and others in your collection "in person"

Best wishes

Don

Don, if you come in France one day, just let me know, you are welcome and it would be a great pleasure to meet you.

Very best, Daniel

Daniel thank you for the invitation, perhaps some time I will be lucky enough to take you up on it...who knows!   Well Tinplate fans...my personal "drought" is over for the moment.  I have been unable to post on this thread for some time since I have not acquired any new tinplate...well a delivery yesterday solved that .

I have most of Lionel's "600" series freights from the pre war period and quite a few of the "800" series but what I did not have in either series was a CRANE CAR.  That situation has now ended and I have managed to add a Lionel # 2660 Crane Car to my collection.  For most cars in this series the "latch" coupler version of the car was designated "600" something (like 657 caboose for example) and when the car went to "automatic" couplers in 1936 in Lionel's quest for realism the number on the car changed to "2600" thus the 657 caboose became the 2657 caboose and so forth.  However there really is no "latch" version of the crane car ( Note there is a very rare, version sometimes called the 1660 that appeared in one single set but that is not confirmed in my reference).    Thus the 2660 was introduce in 1938 with box couplers from the beginning.  However this car is a later version due to a) black journals (another Lionel attempt at realism) and the fact that the cab does not have number plates but is black stamped.  The black journals/ stamping vice plates follows the path of the other cars in this series.  These two items date the car from 1941-1942.

Here is a full side view, the boom goes up / down via a hand wheel and the hook goes up/down the same way.  The cab rotates but just by hand pressure.

Close up side view showing the two hand wheels for control of the hook and boom.

The rear of the cab showing the large wheel for controlling the boom and the black stamped logo and car number

A close up of the cab stamping.  By the way this is the only lettering on the car.  The base does not exhibit any railroad name or even "Lionel Lines" or a car number.

Well tinplate fans, it feels great to be able to contribute again.  Hope everyone has a great upcoming week .

Best wishes

Don

Don - That’s a beauty.  Love the colors and I have a place in my heart for all things cranes.  I used to be a union laborer and worked with  a crane operator every day.  I know all the hand signals and could still land a china teacup on a lowboy and strap it down for a safe ride down the road.  Pardon my hyperbole, I miss those days sometimes…

W1 -Thanks for the comment.  By the way, I really do appreciate your skill.  A favorite cousin of my wife's...much older than she and I  and our relationship with him and his wife was more like aunt / uncle was what they called an "Operating Engineer" and worked the large cranes.  I watched him at work one day and it was amazing.  Real skill man!

Don

Here’s a #8 I really like.  I’m thinkin it’s not original paint cuz I don’t see a dark olive green like this in the Greenberg book, but I do like the look.  Really good runner, pulls like a Clydesdale on steroids, and never has a bad thing to say.  So this is my first project, getting lamps on it, haha  baby steps…. Thinking Hennings should have the parts, correct me if I’m wrong.

@FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Don, if you come in France one day, just let me know, you are welcome and it would be a great pleasure to meet you.

Very best, Daniel

Daniel, I spent some time in France a couple years ago.  In which area of the country do you live?

@MikeH posted:

Daniel, I spent some time in France a couple years ago.  In which area of the country do you live?

Hello Mike,

Just three hours south of Paris, in the Loire Valley.  So very easy to join from the airport.

Daniel

It seems it is Hornby time actually.  After the previous one I just got another model....

It is a 1S series loco for the East railways made during the 1935-39 period.  It is a clockwork model and has some minor restorations, wheels are repainted and two axles retaining the linkage have been replaced with screws, as I have original parts I will replace that.  Those engines very often have damaged wheels, due to bad zamack but this one is good and it runs very well.

Daniel

Daniel - another beautiful locomotive.  Thanks for posting.

Best Wishes

Don

No new trains so just have to run some standard gauge Lionel ones, this time it is the big ones, 400e and 408e with 200 serie cars.  Always great to see that work train in motion and what a great toy it was with  that crane, searchlight car and toolbox, many  young boys would have certainly enjoy to have it.

Have a great Easter time,  Daniel

The grandkids are coming over for Easter dinner and an egg hunt. They alway enjoy the freight sets instead of the revenue service. Therefore, I changed the sets around, lubricated everything and they are ready for service on Sunday.

Daniel  /  Fatman / lewrail :  Well its Friday here in central Texas and while assembling some trains for photo's I had an idea.  I decided to assemble a "budget version" of that beautiful "Riviera Blue" train and subsequent 1S loco that Daniel posted using my N OE SNCF engine and some of my little blue Pullman cars.  I know from some information you provided Daniel that the engine here is from about 1953 and while it has a similar body to the pre-war 1S series the motor is completely different.  Of course mine is also marked S.N.C.F. which would make it post nationalization.  The Pullman cars are also French Hornby and are marked "Sirie Hornby" "Fab en France, Mecano, Paris" and were made from 1947-1957 so also match the 1953 era of the engine.

Here she is, moving her small train down the main line.

Here is a better view of the consist, two Pullman cars.

Here is a short video of her in motion.

Well Happy Easter everyone...have a great weekend

Don

Wow, a lot of action and great tinplate on a Friday night.  Daniel - Love that black 400E.  There is one on the forum for sale for a reasonable price right now and I wish I could pull the trigger on it but I better be happy with what I have for now.  Priorities get in the way sometimes, and that’s not fair!

Cheers,       W1

Here is my contribution so far this weekend.  Was a tad stressed that this really nice 517 coal train caboose was not lighting up.  Was thinking worse case scenario that the wiring was bad and I would have to lift the delicate tabs and get inside and do irreparable damage to a pristine car.  After intensive investigation I found the bulb was bad, replaced it with a bit more ardor than probably necessary and now it’s shining like a diamond in a goats arse.  Another installment of the easiest toy train fix in toy train history, my favorite kind.  Very happy now.  Baby steps…

Have a great weekend all you tinplate nuts!       W1

Hornby time for me too !

A mate of mine in Queensland is passing on to me a post war "Export" 20V AC Hornby E502

This loco was the only electric Hornby produced after the second world war and came in only 2 liveries .. this one , the LMS version, and a green LNER . Both versions had the pre-war colours but no longer had the railway initials on them , as for export they could be any line you liked! These electric locomotives were not sold domestically in the UK .

These two models signaled Hornby's "bowing out" of O Gauge electrics , although the clockwork examples were to continue until the late 60's

Its in pretty good nick and shall at some point have the missing coupling rods and piston rods found for it

However I think it must have been made on a Monday morning .. because the hand striping is showing considerable shakiness after someone had a big weekend !

Great tinplate Easter weekend guys, all great pieces in action.

Don, great,  perfect period time Hornby, it makes a nice set.

And another nice one Simon, and not a common model, you will easily find the missing linkage and tender. This one must be restored....

@William 1  I do not run very often the big Lionel, I prefer the medium ones and 500 series cars; it seems it is also your favorites and I always enjoy to look at your videos. As I do not have enough space for a layout, here are some pictures of previous runs, especially with my all time preferred one, the 390E, it is the classic black but maybe one day I will be lucky to have the blue one...

And sometime there is some AF too....

Daniel

Daniel: thanks for the compliment. I also like the 500 series Lionel cars actually have not come across too many of the 200 series. The 390 of course is a gem. Still on my wish list (any color)!  
Best wishes to all great tinplate everyone

Don

Very nice engines and 500s Daniel.  Like that 385 you have.  I have a black 390E that is my problem child right now.  Been in the shop but back on the fritz, dirty rat.  Included is a panoramic view of my layout featuring a long train of 500s and my ‘newly repaired’ 517 caboose.  It’s got everything, a lake with beautiful blue water and a snow covered hill in the background.  When you are practicing minimalism to the maximum it never hurts to have a bit of an imagination…

Cheers,       W1

W1 - you forgot the beautiful flat plane of freshly plowed fields in the foreground.  Actually around here in central Texas, the scenery looks a good deal like that in about late Feb / Early March as preparation is underway for spring planting.

Loved the "lake" and "snow covered mtns".

Don

I like the hardened bomber hanger

Great Additions ALL  !

Daniel I already have a tender for the E502 in the collection so that's taken care of   The Siderods might be a little harder as I believe the electric motors had a slightly longer wheelbase than the clockworks , so while the piston assembly will be interchangeable with clockwork versions the coupling rods will have to be specific to AC motors .

As a slight deviation from trains I picked up another little French toy last night @FRENCHTRAINS

Little Clockwork car ... which is missing a squeeze bulb off the little pipe in the back .. apparently it can be steered by using the bulb and the amount of squeeze determines the position of the front wheel ( operated by a little bladder inside pressing on a steering linkage)

Only about 12 cm (4 3/4 inches ) long

Repaint time.

@Fatman :  Great car, and yes I believe it was steered via the squeeze bulb.  I don't have this car but do have some other toys with the same mechanism.  Unfortunately the parts are mostly "rubber" and don't last nearly as well as the toy does.

@ Tom M :  Good paint job and quite a accomplishment on finding all the plates, ladders, hand rails etc.  Now just a couple more - a silver Sunoco and a Yellow Shell !

Best wishes to everyone on this Holiday weekend

Don

  Elsewhere on this part of the forum we have a Boxcar Sunday thread. Now, I have nothing against boxcars, in fact some of my best rolling stock are boxcars, but there are other cars in a consist which I think deserve a mention. So for this Sunday I thought I'd offer a....

Tinplate Cattle Car Cavalcade

... oh well, what can I say, I'm using rented fingers and it's Sunday - that last car should be an American Flyer...

Beautiful!

Hey folks, what a great idea that NWL had...so to contribute here are some of mine.

Here is another Hornby, this one post nationalization.

An early Lionel #802 from 1917-1927

OOOPs plastic - but a Marx MOPAC from the 1950's

Marx Scale Santa Fe from the 1950's

Best wishes to all.  Thanks for a great idea NWL.

Don

Geez Don, a math problem this early in the morning???

Ok,

So....lessee  N = 14, W = 23, L = 12   and R = 18, S = 19, and B = 2

Therefore N+4 = R

W - 4 = S

and L -10 = B

which means we can transform NWL into RSB with an addition of 4 and a subtraction of 14.

By the way - thanks for the compliment - Robert

My gracious Robert I humbly apologize.  Trying to work off this ***phone with its limited screen and tiny letters but that is no excuse for such a mistakes. Thank you for a great idea and again I am sorry for mislabeling your posting.

Best wishes

Don

No problem Don, I was just having some early morning fun.

   Take Care,

      Robert

@Don McErlean posted:

Hey folks, what a great idea that NWL had...so to contribute here are some of mine.

Don

You can bet that you would never find a Lionel, Bing, Ives, Hornby, Marx, or Hafner item in my collection, unless they made if for and it was labeled as American Flyer!  LOL!

NWL :  Ha!   OK my mistake continues to cause consequesnces.  I apologized to Robert Butler so I should also apologize to yor as well.  SORRY!  

You know however that I actually looked through my pictures for an AF cattle car and could not find one from the pre-war/ pre-Gilbert era I also made a cursory check in Greenberg's Collector's guide to American Flyer "0" gauge and could not see one referenced there.  So lacking an 0 gauge representative  I checked my only reference book on American Flyer "S" gauge and found 7 or 8 varieties of stock car but since I don't really collect "S" gauge I have no pictures.  Obviously my collection is deficient!  However in a pinch, since we know the very early connection between American Flyer and Hafner, perhaps as a stand in, here is the Hafner cattle car from his "Streamliner" era.

Best wishes

Don

Don,

No reason to apologize, I was just having some fun with you!

Here is a picture of another Flyer stock car, without doors

And with doors

As for other Flyer stock cars, the variation that RSB posted came in differing colors and it and the one above are the only two prewar Flyer O gauge stock cars that were built.  They of course produced a Wide Gauge stock car as well, but never made an O gauge 6.5 inch or 9.5 inch stock car.

NWL

NWL :  Thank you....for posting.  Great to see the AF versions.

Don

NWL, I've always thought it odd Flyer didn't turn out a really impressive 9 inch O gauge cattle car to rival Ives and Lionel.  Given that Chicago was "the hog butcher of the world" and the cattle pens were "right next door" one would have thought this alone would have prompted them to make the effort...but it was not to be.

Cattle cars you say ... Hmmmmm to the depths of the Fatcave Fatman!

Not a lot to offer as the Fatcave isn't rolling stock centric but still a few goodies can be found ( all this has taught me is I need MORE cattle cars dammit!)

Hornby Southern ( these were also known as MILK cars as they were used more to transport milk churns to dairies that actual cows .)

French Hornby version

LMS Hornby

Annnd a Bing ...

I think cattle cars are very much an American thing ( lol ) , in Europe, Australia etc Cattle weren't shipped huge distances as most processing was done locally for domestic consumption , and here in Australia at least the majority of transport from remote areas was done by truck and for a long time different States would using differing gauges which really complicated matters often leading to ....

However feasibility studies recently are touting the modern Australian rail system as an alternative to trucks , so everything old might be new again ?

Great idea to present cattle cars.  They where used in France during a long time and Hornby has made many variations of cattle cars. Here are some from 1925 to 1955.

Hornby also made many different models for Great Britain

JEP has only made one model from 1925 to the end,1963.  Always the same body but different chassis, wheels and coupling during 40 years of production.... not original but nice litho. This is the oldest one.

Bing has also produced different models, only have one with the original cattles ....

And there is many more....    Daniel