3rdrail NYC/B&A/P&LE H10a Mikado project

One needs to proselytize here, to whip up interest. We B&O foamers did that, to get our Q-4, T-3, and P-7 models, and the full Cincinnatian.

Of course, we also had Bob Heil on our side.

Gary, any word on how short he is?....I put in my reservation...I’d like to see this project come to life as well......thanks .......Pat

harmonyards posted:

Gary, any word on how short he is?....I put in my reservation...I’d like to see this project come to life as well......thanks .......Pat

No,  I sent Scott the unmarked photos above to him today.  I'm hoping to get a email or he chimes in here.

Plus, I nice brass caboose to go with this engine would be icing on the cake

rex desilets posted:

Of course, we also had Bob Heil on our side.

Who is he? 

The NYC Mikado is doing reasonably well in reservations - a lot better than the last time. Need a few more before Scott will begin.

superwarp1 posted:

harmonyards posted:

Gary, any word on how short he is?....I put in my reservation...I’d like to see this project come to life as well......thanks .......Pat

No,  I sent Scott the unmarked photos above to him today.  I'm hoping to get a email or he chimes in here.

Plus, I nice brass caboose to go with this engine would be icing on the cake

Brass cabeese are out there. Kohs has been talking about doing one for about ten years now. In the meantime look for a Mullet River one. With a little more work the Williams brass caboose could be pretty nice too.

Pete

rheil posted:

rex desilets posted:

Of course, we also had Bob Heil on our side.

Who is he? 

The NYC Mikado is doing reasonably well in reservations - a lot better than the last time. Need a few more before Scott will begin.

Great news and thanks.

just put my reservation in for the b&a version. lets hope it gets done. beautiful engine. 

Emailed Scott about these and I asked Scott about the H10 NYC/B&A mikados whether or not this project is going forward. He has enough reservations to proceed. Design work will happen this winter with late 2021 delivery.

These are going to be really nice.  I put my order in way back in '09 when these were first thought of and never thought we would get to this point.  Bought an old US Hobbies version in the interim but the P&LE version this go round should be just the ticket!  I see the Alco FA-1 is no longer even listed on 3rd Rail's site for reservations?  Is that one a no go?

@superwarp1 posted:

... nice brass caboose to go with this engine would be icing on the cake ...

The H10a locomotive was priced higher than what I would spend but, as a B&A fan, I would sign up for a brass B&A caboose.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

The H10a locomotive was priced higher than what I would spend but, as a B&A fan, I would sign up for a brass B&A caboose.

MELGAR

I'll take a brass caboose.

@Cadillac Mike posted:

These are going to be really nice.  I put my order in way back in '09 when these were first thought of and never thought we would get to this point.  Bought an old US Hobbies version in the interim but the P&LE version this go round should be just the ticket!  I see the Alco FA-1 is no longer even listed on 3rd Rail's site for reservations?  Is that one a no go?

I don’t see any photos (found photos of the engines) for FA units but this is still on the reservation’s page.

Good to know we may see the FA's.

Great and exciting news to finally see this engine produced.

-Crank

@Cadillac Mike posted:

These are going to be really nice.  I put my order in way back in '09 when these were first thought of and never thought we would get to this point.  Bought an old US Hobbies version in the interim but the P&LE version this go round should be just the ticket!  I see the Alco FA-1 is no longer even listed on 3rd Rail's site for reservations?  Is that one a no go?

If Scott would have put the PRR FA-1, i bet a LOT more reservations would come in.

I emailed Scott yesterday to ask about the status of the NYC H10a and if it was too late for me to jump on board. Good news is there still is time for me to reserve one but before I do I want to try to raise 40% of the money. I figure in today's world of O gauge if you don't pre-order when it is something special you most likely will have a tough time getting the item.

In looking at Gary's photos in the original post, does anyone know what that pipe is near the smokestack on the fireman's side? I have never seen a locomotive with that pipe on the boiler. I found 2 pictures of a H10a in the Al Staufer book NYC Later Power (page 96) and neither locomotive had the pipe. Just my opinion but I think it is a nicer looking engine without the pipe. However this will not deter me from ordering one if I can come up with some of the money now.

I think and could be very wrong, only the B&A had this pipe, at least early on, during out shopping I'm sure it was removed when these engines were transferred to NYC proper.  B&A Berkshires had the same piping.

If you look for NYC H10 here you will see no piping.  the NYC version will look like these.

Fallen Flag RR

From 3rdrails website.  No pipe.

Thank you Gary.

@Hudson J1e posted:

I emailed Scott yesterday to ask about the status of the NYC H10a and if it was too late for me to jump on board. Good news is there still is time for me to reserve one but before I do I want to try to raise 40% of the money. I figure in today's world of O gauge if you don't pre-order when it is something special you most likely will have a tough time getting the item.

In looking at Gary's photos in the original post, does anyone know what that pipe is near the smokestack on the fireman's side? I have never seen a locomotive with that pipe on the boiler. I found 2 pictures of a H10a in the Al Staufer book NYC Later Power (page 96) and neither locomotive had the pipe. Just my opinion but I think it is a nicer looking engine without the pipe. However this will not deter me from ordering one if I can come up with some of the money now.

Phil, you must be talking about the dry pipe, ....when the H10’s were originally built, the throttles were in the smoke box, necessitating the need for the dry pipe to be external,....by the 1920’s these locomotives were already being heavily modified, with throttles moved exterior, thus the dry pipes were moved to the inside of the smoke box. These locomotives went through some crazy changes throughout their careers,....longer cabs, different stokers, etc.......it wasn’t just the B&A that moved them, the Central proper was moving them pretty early on,....they didn’t remove them, they’re just moved inside the smoke box ,...

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

Phil, you must be talking about the dry pipe, ....when the H10’s were originally built, the throttles were in the smoke box, necessitating the need for the dry pipe to be external,....by the 1920’s these locomotives were already being heavily modified, with throttles moved exterior, thus the dry pipes were moved to the inside of the smoke box these locomotives went through some crazy changes throughout their careers,....longer cabs, different stokers, etc.......it wasn’t just the B&A that moved them, the Central proper was moving them pretty early on,....they didn’t remove them, they’re just moved inside the smoke box ,...

Pat

Thanks Pat, I knew it was something like what you stated

Hi

If Scott offers the as built version with the external dry pipe, small 4 wheel truck tender and the large, barrel Sunbeam headlight, I'll take one.  I'll also take one extra 4 wheel truck tender if made available.

Steve

@Steam Guy posted:

Hi

If Scott offers the as built version with the external dry pipe, small 4 wheel truck tender and the large, barrel Sunbeam headlight, I'll take one.  I'll also take one extra 4 wheel truck tender if made available.

Steve

That's the plan with the B&A version.

Hi

I do hope that there is enough reservations for this model.  For all the H-10a versions.  Scott's models just keep on improving.  I have one of his latest D&RGW 4-6-6-4's.  The detail is absolutely incredible.

Steve

@Steam Guy posted:

Hi

I do hope that there is enough reservations for this model.  For all the H-10a versions.  Scott's models just keep on improving.  I have one of his latest D&RGW 4-6-6-4's.  The detail is absolutely incredible.

Steve

I asked Scott late last year what the status was.  At the time he stated there was enough to begin design work with production set for the end of 2021.  Of course more reservations will make it more successful and keep costs in check.

Shoot, when I first read the title I thought this was gonna be about a modification project of an existing model...I guess not, but best of luck getting this produced. 🙂

Mark in Oregon

@Steam Guy posted:

Hi

I do hope that there is enough reservations for this model.  For all the H-10a versions.  Scott's models just keep on improving.  I have one of his latest D&RGW 4-6-6-4's.  The detail is absolutely incredible.

Steve

I'm not a foamer for any of the H10a's flags.  But I've seen enough HO brass models and photos of this loco to know it will be an absolute 'killer' as done by Scott in O scale!!!   If you were a career plumber and into this hobby, you'd probably swoon at the sight of an engine like this.

Of course...

...you never know the 1:1's rationale.

KD

When Scot initially said he was going to make the P&LE version about 10 years ago I put myself down for one.  Nothing ever became of it so I bought an amazing US Hobbies H-10 at a swap meet for $425.00, a steal for a custom painted and lettered model.  Long story short, I only needed one H so when my name was still on the list when he said he was going to make them, I had to let Sunset know I was no longer interested and I honestly thought the project was kaput.  Sorry guys, I would reserve one but I just don't need another Mike on my pike.

So am I the only one who ordered a P&LE version?

No. I have two reservations for the P&LE version.

@superwarp1 posted:

I'm guessing Scott doesn't have enough reservations as of yet to give the green light to this project.  Hoping he does as I want this engine.  BAD.  Figured I'd post pics of the engine I want which I found with the help of the NYC historical society.

So if you want one, reserve it here.

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#NYCH10A

As do i

Does anyone have a picture of the P&LE version?

P&LE is the same as New York Central with 12 wheel tender. The only difference is the locomotive number(s), the small P&LE on the top of the coal bunker on the tender, and the tender lettering adds SYSTEM behind New York Central.

I am also on the P&LE reservation

I'm on the PL&E list too.  That makes 3, RHeil might need to recheck the list.

@Milwaukee Road Dave posted:

I'm on the PL&E list too.  That makes 3, RHeil might need to recheck the list.

Don't need to. That makes at least 5 P&LE locomotives which is sufficient to have it done as the lettering and numbers are the only difference from the NYC version.

R. Heil  --  Sunset Models / 3rd Rail

Just got on the reservation list! Thanks Scott for making 2 rail trains.

There was mention that the B&A tender would be offered if there was enough interest as a separate sale item. Undecorated is fine with me or just lettered and add your own number. 3 rail with no electronics. I’ve got a couple of B&A engines I would like to ditch the Hudson tender on and have more  a correct as built version.

I’d be in for 2 if you add it to the order form.

@Dave_C posted:

There was mention that the B&A tender would be offered if there was enough interest as a separate sale item. Undecorated is fine with me or just lettered and add your own number. 3 rail with no electronics. I’ve got a couple of B&A engines I would like to ditch the Hudson tender on and have more  a correct as built version.

I’d be in for 2 if you add it to the order form.

Yep, hopefully we get a official word this project is a go soon.