6464-250

What's a broken SIDE truck? If your 6464-250 is in perfect condition they go for about $250. with the box.

Did you see the picture? The truck on the left side.

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@eddie g posted:

What's a broken SIDE truck? If your 6464-250 is in perfect condition they go for about $250. with the box.

Are people still paying these kind of prices for Lionel’s old 6464 series boxcars and with plastic trucks, no less? 🤔

@Lionel/MTH Railroader posted:

Bought a Mint 6464-250 Western Pacific with plastic trucks 1966 version with original box. I paid enough for it and I got it it had a broken side truck. So they gave me 3 options full refund, return and they fix it or keep it with a fair price adjustment which means fix it myself.  So if they fix it it is no longer original from the factory so the value should go down. So what would you do and a fair price now?

Show the seller the damaged truck and have them send you another Timken replacement, fix it yourself, just a suggestion, Good luck, 👍

@Yellowstone Special posted:

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Are people still paying these kind of prices for Lionel’s old 6464 series boxcars and with plastic trucks, no less? 🤔

I guess so. I seen one go yesterday for $275 in LN condition on e-bay. Made only in 1966.

@Lionel/MTH Railroader posted:

I guess so. I seen one go yesterday for $275 in LN condition on e-bay. Made only in 1966.

Crazy. I’d thought that the days of people paying ridiculous prices for these old things were behind us. But evidently not.

@oldpirate posted:

Show the seller the damaged truck and have them send you another Timken replacement, fix it yourself, just a suggestion, Good luck, 👍

I believe the truck is fastened on with a rivet. I don't think I have a rivet tool but I have to search and if they have a replacement.

FIRST OFF, IT'S NOT A SIDE TRUCK, IT'S A TRUCK SIDE. That's no big deal you can replace the whole truck without any problem, maybe $10.

@Yellowstone Special posted:

Crazy. I’d thought that the days of people paying ridiculous prices for these old things were behind us. But evidently not.

One on e-bay had original box too. I seen 2 on e-bay now Mint with repo box $425 and other one $241.73 in EX condition and no box.

@Lionel/MTH Railroader posted:

I believe the truck is fastened on with a rivet. I don't think I have a rivet tool but I have to search and if they have a replacement.

You are correct, it is attached with a rivet, I have the 6464-100 with the metal bar end trucks attached with rivet. Some 6464 series had the metal push pins.

Thanks for your pictures and answers. I believe it is a 560-1 part number? May be wrong? I wish this one had the push pin.

Replacing a whole truck on one of these cars is tough to do while maintaing the appearance that it hasn’t been repaired. Since this is a valuable car and in very nice condition, I’d suggest procuring another more common 6464 car with the same frame and trucks and swap the whole underframe. Be sure that all the details of frame and truck construction match as there are some very subtle production changes over the years.

A New Haven 6464 might be a suitable donor.

Perhaps the seller will reimburse the value of a common 6464 car?

@Ryan Selvius posted:

Replacing a whole truck on one of these cars is tough to do while maintaing the appearance that it hasn’t been repaired. Since this is a valuable car and in very nice condition, I’d suggest procuring another more common 6464 car with the same frame and trucks and swap the whole underframe. Be sure that all the details of frame and truck construction match as there are some very subtle production changes over the years.

A New Haven 6464 might be a suitable donor.

Perhaps the seller will reimburse the value of a common 6464 car?

That is a very good answer and that was the answer I was looking for. Big Thanks

It’s called a truck sideframe. Very fixable. Ryan’s advice is probably your best bet, but you will need to do the fix correctly to restore its value.

I’m also surprised there is still that much interest in this 1966 model.

The car you need to get is the 6464-100 orange with the blue feather with the 6464-250 early box. I have one that has never been on a track with the correct box which is brand new condition.

@eddie g posted:

The car you need to get is the 6464-100 orange with the blue feather with the 6464-250 early box. I have one that has never been on a track with the correct box which is brand new condition.

Yes that sounds like a good one. Is this an offer you want to sell?

@eddie g posted:

The car you need to get is the 6464-100 orange with the blue feather with the 6464-250 early box. I have one that has never been on a track with the correct box which is brand new condition.

Wow. Eddie I can’t believe there are many out there in that condition. That’s a nice piece in your collection.

@eddie g posted:

The car you need to get is the 6464-100 orange with the blue feather with the 6464-250 early box. I have one that has never been on a track with the correct box which is brand new condition.

Eddie How did you acquire that one. I love to hear stories how they got it. Or did you find out later that you did not know you had a rare piece?

@Lionel/MTH Railroader posted:

Eddie How did you acquire that one. I love to hear stories how they got it. Or did you find out later that you did not know you had a rare piece?

6464-100 with the blue feather and 6464-250 box came as part of set #2223W in 1954.  I know; my Dad got it for Christmas that year, and the set and that car with the original -250 box were passed onto me when I was a kid (hence my forum name).  I did not know it was rare until I was in high school (which was a long time ago now).

@BlueFeather posted:

6464-100 with the blue feather and 6464-250 box came as part of set #2223W in 1954.  I know; my Dad got it for Christmas that year, and the set and that car with the original -250 box were passed onto me when I was a kid (hence my forum name).  I did not know it was rare until I was in high school (which was a long time ago now).

Great Story!!!!  Did not know both came with a set.

@Lionel/MTH Railroader posted:

Great Story!!!!  Did not know both came with a set.

Indeed, most of the time when a #2223W "Big Haul" set becomes available these days, someone has swapped out the rare 6464-100 and its -250 box for a regular silver 6464-100 with a yellow feather.  The set also originally came with a maroon roof 2321 Lackawanna FM Train Master; these also tend to get swapped out for the more common gray roof version.