Gantry ARC/AC (6-24206) and Cab3 App...crane will not rotate

I'm having the same problem as Ed.  I'm using the Base3/Cab3 with SER2 as well.

The Legacy Base/Cab2 control system worked like a champ.

R_Whitley, have you tried using the Cab2 with Base3?  

I also sent a question about this issue to  TalkToUS@lionel.com  If I get a response, I'll post it. 

Same issue. Worked with Cab2/Base2. Limited functionality with Cab3/Base3. Have not tried Cab2/Base3 combo. Will tonight and report back.

Mike

Have you tried engaging the "Red Knob" on the Cab3 App to see if it worked?  Double tap the speed number above the throttle control to get the red knob.

@ToledoEd posted:

R_Whitley, have you tried using the Cab2 with Base3?  

Ed, the Cab2 with Base3 works great. Using the red knob on the Cab3 doesn't work well at all. 

@LT1Poncho posted:

Same issue. Worked with Cab2/Base2. Limited functionality with Cab3/Base3. Have not tried Cab2/Base3 combo. Will tonight and report back.

Mike

Mike, My Gantry Crane works great while using the Cab2 and Base3 together. The Big Red Dial on the Cab3 not so good at all.

@LT1Poncho posted:

Same issue. Worked with Cab2/Base2. Limited functionality with Cab3/Base3. Have not tried Cab2/Base3 combo. Will tonight and report back.

Mike

Are you up-to-date with the Cab 3 software? I know when I first tried mine a few revs ago, the Cab 3 app didn't send out the right commands to control the crane. I did see those commands in the most recent version (1.1.47 - 157).

The other thing to check is that you have the "engine type" field set to TMCC or Cab-1. If you set it to "legacy", it definitely won't work.

  -- Dave

@cdswindell posted:

Are you up-to-date with the Cab 3 software? I know when I first tried mine a few revs ago, the Cab 3 app didn't send out the right commands to control the crane. I did see those commands in the most recent version (1.1.47 - 157).

The other thing to check is that you have the "engine type" field set to TMCC or Cab-1. If you set it to "legacy", it definitely won't work.

  -- Dave

Dave, I tried both the TMCC and Cab1 settings on the Cab 3 app with the same results. The big red turn dial may move the crane a couple degrees at times, no matter if I crank the dial to max. It appears to have a delayed reaction even then with no directional rotation control.  I doubled checked with my Cab2 and it functions great. The control boom rotation range is working perfect along with the up/down boom and magnet on the Cab2.

Any ideas?

@R Whitley posted:

Dave, I tried both the TMCC and Cab1 settings on the Cab 3 app with the same results. The big red turn dial may move the crane a couple degrees at times, no matter if I crank the dial to max. It appears to have a delayed reaction even then with no directional rotation control.  I doubled checked with my Cab2 and it functions great. The control boom rotation range is working perfect along with the up/down boom and magnet on the Cab2.

Any ideas?

I'm afraid all I can suggest is to contact Dave at Lionel 😢. I will try my crane this weekend when I have some time with my layout. The Crane uses "relative" speed commands, whereas engines use "absolute" commands. Looking at the echoed TMCC commands thru my software, using the Cab-3 on my iPhone (rev 1.1.47) the "big red knob" is only sending "Relative Speed -2" commands (relative speeds go from -5 to 5). It really doesn't look right at all

@MartyE posted:

Have you tried engaging the "Red Knob" on the Cab3 App to see if it worked?  Double tap the speed number above the throttle control to get the red knob.

Marty, I have. It will turn the crane in only one direction very slowly. I mean very slowly. Sometimes not at all. The Cab1L will not turn the crane.

@ToledoEd posted:

Marty, I have. It will turn the crane in only one direction very slowly. I mean very slowly. Sometimes not at all. The Cab1L will not turn the crane.

This is consistent with what I'm seeing with the commands being generated

@R Whitley, I just tried something. On your Cab-3, change the "Motive Type" to "Crane Car". That sends out a more reliable set of relative speed commands.

I will try this myself later tomorrow.

  -- Dave

@cdswindell posted:

@R Whitley, I just tried something. On your Cab-3, change the "Motive Type" to "Crane Car". That sends out a more reliable set of relative speed commands.

I will try this myself later tomorrow.

  -- Dave

Dave,

I changed my Cab-3, "Motive Type" to "Crane Car" and now it works just fine.

@R Whitley posted:

Dave,

I changed my Cab-3, "Motive Type" to "Crane Car" and now it works just fine.

Well that makes a lot of sense.  Good catch!

@R Whitley posted:

Dave,

I changed my Cab-3, "Motive Type" to "Crane Car" and now it works just fine.

Nice!

@cdswindell posted:

@R Whitley, I just tried something. On your Cab-3, change the "Motive Type" to "Crane Car". That sends out a more reliable set of relative speed commands.

I will try this myself later tomorrow.

  -- Dave

Dave, I just tried that. I do get the icons associated with the Crane Car. However the swivel of the crane did not improve...still very, very slow if it moves at all.  The Big Red Dial on the app does not move the crane.  The only discernable improvement is the crane will swivel in both directions.  Thanks for the suggestion...Glad it's working for you.