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Originally Posted by William 1:
Does the 38 run?  I don't see her sitting on rails.

It can hardly get out of it's own way but it does run.  I recall removing years of crud by blasting the motor with brake cleaner to initially coax it back to life.  Unfortunately I don't have anything permanent in a SG layout.

 

Bruce

Originally Posted by Robert S. Butler:

LallyTrek - the best I can do with my references is sometime after 1895 and sometime before 1902.  There is a catalog cut in 1902 which matches your engine except for the shape of the smokestack and possibly the steam dome and there is an 1895 cut which illustrates engines with the kind of smokestack your engine has but with a different cylinder set up and with covered main drive wheels.

Thanks for the info, Robert. I've seen the same model with the later smoke stack and the different steam dome, but I never saw the one with the covered main drive wheels. So my loco is somewhere in between. Good to know. Thanks again

My oldest locomotive is a Wabash F3A, that my parents bought me for X-mas when I was 2 years old.  She is still one of my most powerful F3's and I have since added on 2 F3B's, and additional F3A and 3 additional passenger cars to run with her.  She's the motivation behind me coming back to O Gauge Railroading.  She's 58 years old.

WABASH F3A & B

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The predecessor To Marx trains, was Joy Line.  I think they were first made in 1928,

with a diecast engine.  Mine is a later, early thirties?, red stamped steel engine with

the three very short Joy Line passenger cars.  The Marx #999 was first made in 1941

with a perforated pilot (easily broken off). I have one.  I have one of those stamped steel #898 Marx engines in a 3/16th set with a car only made in 1941, so the #898 has to be from 1941, also, and they were used in 3/16ths sets before the #999 became

available.

Originally Posted by madmax:

My oldest 2 515 katz ,54 dorfan , lionel and what looks like a ives clockwork stamped gpr 4 1911 934 on motor. What's with the 5R with the hoge (there form of actavation track)

The April 4, 1911 date on the Ives motor is the date of their Patent.  I believe the other number stamped under it is the year of production - it looks like a 1924 model to me.

Nice collection of trains! 

Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Tom,

   That would be my Fathers 1st birthday present, ordered in 1900 by my Grandfather, the pre-production Lionel 263E Work Train with pre-production 711 switches, all came in the same Wooden Lionel Train Box, I still have the train, switches and wooden box today.  The individual engine, tender and rolling stock boxes, unfortunately are all gone.  The patched up 711 switch box still remains, however it's in poor shape.

PCRR/Dave 

 

On the left the original Lionel 263E and part of the original rolling stock, on the right the MTH 263E P2 Reproduction, with some of the original Lionel rolling stock.

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Can you post a picture of the wooden box?   Never seen one of those. 

 

Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Tom,

   That would be my Fathers 1st birthday present, ordered in 1900 by my Grandfather, the pre-production Lionel 263E Work Train with pre-production 711 switches, all came in the same Wooden Lionel Train Box, I still have the train, switches and wooden box today.  

PCRR/Dave 

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Yes, PCRR/Dave, seeing that box would be nice, especially any markings on it!

 

Tom

This is kind of in response to popi's 384E.  This is my 384E.  I was waiting to take a better picture, but who am I kidding, I've never taken a good photo in my life.  This engine is a honey.  It's the all black version, no green stripe, all copper trim.  So that makes it 1929.  I love this engine.  The best running machine I've ever seen.  I have a pair of red and cream 337, 338s to run with her, but she really shines pulling five 500 freights.  This engine is so cool, I honestly feel it is a blessing to have her.  Not my oldest, but might be my favorite old bird in the nest.  Long may she run.   

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I have a total of three postwar Lionel locos at present, and plan to add a few more, as resources permit. They are 1666, 675, and 2065. They span about nine years of the postwar period from 1946 through 1955, as best I can tell. I have included a picture of all three lined up on my work bench. I plan to get 681, 2056 and 224 when I can. I am running O27 track and switches and all these locos negotiate the curves nicely. I am an operator so I don't like to collect or pay for original boxes, paper, etc...

 

I like these locos, 'cause they're getting to be antiques...like me...but everything on them still works...

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Originally Posted by Edstrains:

I like these locos, 'cause they're getting to be antiques...like me...but everything on them still works...

Most of my locomotives are around 80 years old...may have mentioned this before, hope we all work so well when we are that age.

 

I see a postwar Pennsy cabin car in the background that deserves to be on the main line! 

 

Tom

bdobson,

   I did not see your post asking for a picture of the original 1900's wooden box before, I will take a couple pictures and post them as soon as I can.

PCRR/Dave

 

Here are the pictures of the original Lionel wooden box my Father's 263E work train came in, back in the early 1900.  Still not in bad shape after the Admiral ordered the Train flown to Guadalcanal during WWII, for our SeaBee's & Marines Christmas celebration.  Part of the old leather handle is now trapped under the black electric tape, securing it forever, before the leather carrying handle totally rotted away, from jungle rot.

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Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Tom,

   That would be my Fathers 1st birthday present, ordered in 1900 by my Grandfather, the pre-production Lionel 263E Work Train with pre-production 711 switches, all came in the same Wooden Lionel Train Box, I still have the train, switches and wooden box today.  The individual engine, tender and rolling stock boxes, unfortunately are all gone.  The patched up 711 switch box still remains, however it's in poor shape.

PCRR/Dave 

 

On the left the original Lionel 263E and part of the original rolling stock, on the right the MTH 263E P2 Reproduction, with some of the original Lionel rolling stock.

263E Lionel & MTH 013

Dave,

What exactly do you mean by "pre-production"  in your descriptions?

 

Does the wooden box have the "Lionel" name anywhere on it?  or any other markings verifying that it came from Lionel?

 

Ives,

   It did at one time have all the Lionel name and Train numbers on it, they all came off due to the trip over seas, the original Lionel individual card board boxes fell apart when I was a boy also.  When Lionel 1st started producing trains, my Grandfather ordered the 263E work train set in 1900, before they went into production, he got the pre-production 263E 1st work train ever made, delivered to him before the other 263E's came on the market.  The actual 263E did not appear on the market or go fully into production until a couple years later.  The train was actually a engineering model that Lionel probably did not mean to sell, and somebody, delivered the train set early, more than likely because my Grandfather was friends with the boss at the Lionel Company.

PCRR/Dave

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William 1,

   Actually that would probably make a good thread of it's own, my Father and my Uncle Scotty were best friends, and part of the crew on Guadalcanal fighting and building an air strip, so the Air Marines could land.  The Admiral eventually needed a moral booster for his men, it was more than just bad there on that landing strip, as my Uncle Scotty told us, it was beyond Hell.  Sometime I will post the actual event for you to read, and why the Lionel Train was sent for.

PCRR/Dave

   

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Here are the pictures of the original Lionel wooden box my Father's 263E work train came in, back in the early 1900.  Still not in bad shape after the Admiral ordered the Train flown to Guadalcanal during WWII, for our SeaBee's & Marines Christmas celebration. 

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Wonderful piece of history you have there. There are things we come across in life that have unimaginable stories behind them, and this is definitely high in that category.

 

Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

William 1,

   Actually that would probably make a good thread of it's own, my Father and my Uncle Scotty were best friends, and part of the crew on Guadalcanal fighting and building an air strip, so the Air Marines could land.  The Admiral eventually needed a moral booster for his men, it was more than just bad there on that landing strip, as my Uncle Scotty told us, it was beyond Hell.  Sometime I will post the actual event for you to read, and why the Lionel Train was sent for.

PCRR/Dave

   

please do!

Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

William 1,

   Actually that would probably make a good thread of it's own, my Father and my Uncle Scotty were best friends, and part of the crew on Guadalcanal fighting and building an air strip, so the Air Marines could land.  The Admiral eventually needed a moral booster for his men, it was more than just bad there on that landing strip, as my Uncle Scotty told us, it was beyond Hell.  Sometime I will post the actual event for you to read, and why the Lionel Train was sent for.

PCRR/Dave

   

I'll be watchin' for it too. Let me know if you can remember to.

 

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