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I'm brand new to model trains and before putting my money down I wanted to get the benefit of some experienced opinions.

 

This will be a non-permanent layout.  My idea is to pick up a few 4x8's from Home Depot and fashion a 7x11 foot top to sit on top of our pool table.  It's got a 4x8 foot play surface, and with the walls around that this would hang off approximately 15" in each dimension.  I can potentially shave a couple of inches off each way but any more than that would require redesigning the track.  We'd probably leave it up for long periods at a time but not all the time.  I definitely can't stretch it any bigger, and I haven't found anything I can trim off the track to make it smaller without significant changes.

 

No piece of track is more than 3 feet from an edge, so I think I've got reachability covered without a need for a hatch.  I'm not sure where the controls are going to go yet - perhaps in the lower left or upper right?

 

The grand loop and "swoop" have nothing less than an O48, the inner loop uses a few O36's.  I'll be using a Lionel starter set (Great Northern Mountain Mover) with Fastrack so it runs fine on O36 but the bigger loop will look a little more realistic.  The lower left corner is O72.  btw, the color coding is just there to make it easier for me to tell 5" from 4.5" and 1 3/4" from 1/38".  Red and light green are the smaller elements, purple and darker green the bigger ones.

 

What do you think of the overall design?  There are two things I feel are a little lacking that I might work on.  First, there's no reversing feature anywhere.  Second, there are not two 100% independent loops to be able to run two trains without having to watch for collisions.  Do you think the lack of either of these will be an issue for long-term interestingness of the layout?  I was trying to come up with something more unique than nested ovals or figure 8's but I'm very open to suggestions.

 

What I do like is that it has three separate paths to travel (grand loop, swoop, and inner loop) plus a yard and room for a second one if I wanted to.  There is also room for an O36 circle inside the inner loop in the upper left - maybe to run a trolley someday?

 

Because it's not going to be permanent I don't expect to get heavily into decorations at this point.  Probably spray the wood green, maybe get a plastic tunnel for the upper left curve, just relatively simple stuff.  I'd like to add some trees eventually to simulate a northwestern forest but nothing too elaborate.  It's mean to be more of a train to have fun with than a hardcore detailed simulation.  Maybe one day I'll have a bit more room for that kind of stuff.

 

Is the track too close to the table edges?  There are only a couple inches unused in the short dimension, a couple more in the long. This software (RailModeller) shows full width track so I'm certain it doesn't hang off.

 

Anyway, whatever advice you have is welcome and I'd love to see ideas of other layouts that would fit on a 7x11 foot table if you've got some  I'm the kind of guy who wouldn't mind doing a different shape every few months or so just to keep things fresh...

 

Oh, one last thing... If anyone knows a way to make Fasttrack line up without having to use all these stupid tiny pieces I'd love to know about that too.  It's frustrating having to pay for 3-4 pieces of track to do the job of one just because you need it to be a little longer or shorter!

 

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Ok, first off, it's a pretty ambitious plan.

 

It is a nice plan for one train at a time, but you would need to stay awake in the tower if running two. (Assuming you are using some kind of command control instead of conventional)

 

You might as well resign yourself to using the so called 3 to 4 pieces of track to do the job of one. I've got rails laying in a pile for future use just so I have them if needed.

 

You say that you are hanging off the edge of a pool table. A 8 pound engine coming off the curve into a straight is going to weight on your table. 15 inches is a bit far without some kind of bracing or legs.

 

Your yard is going to be a bit of a reach on the yard ladder. If you are running Kadee couplers or have a uncoupler track in places you use them it should improve your experience. Generally but not always, rail cars with couplers on trucks (Instead of mounted in the body) fare not as well in operations and switching.

 

Your control stand location does not really matter as long your feeder wires travel to the center, 4 sides and yard tracks on your layout. Having a feeder every 3 feet or so helps the engine "Feed" better and less slowing down when you reach the furthest point.

 

Scenery is nice, but I emphasize that you are on a Journey, NOT a race or competition. It is your railroad, and your money. It is good to enjoy, share and use it to harness, learn and acquire new skills.

 

Finally but not last, you really want some room on the edges. Those drops to the floor can do some damage to top end equipment and your heart if you are faint. Speed restrictions come to mind and possibility exists to hardwire a engine or throttle to keep the little ones from running off the track at top speed. (Yes they will, top speed!)

 

That is all I have for now, you will want to put something between your pool table and the wood. The shifting of the layout as the train exerts forces can damage your pool table felt.

Originally Posted by Lee 145:

 

Ok, first off, it's a pretty ambitious plan.

 

You say that you are hanging off the edge of a pool table. A 8 pound engine coming off the curve into a straight is going to weight on your table. 15 inches is a bit far without some kind of bracing or legs.

 

Finally but not last, you really want some room on the edges. Those drops to the floor can do some damage to top end equipment and your heart if you are faint. Speed restrictions come to mind and possibility exists to hardwire a engine or throttle to keep the little ones from running off the track at top speed. (Yes they will, top speed!)

 

That is all I have for now, you will want to put something between your pool table and the wood. The shifting of the layout as the train exerts forces can damage your pool table felt.

 

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of - that I've stretched it too big already.  So, I need to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to reign this thing in to a bit smaller size. Do you think 6.5x10.5' is workable (12 inch overhang) or do I need to keep it to 6x10' (9 inch overhang)?  Even less?

 

We do have a faux-leather cover for the pool table, I think that should provide the necessary protection there.  No felt will be touched.

 

Of course I can always turn it into a floor layout instead and let it run down the hall between rooms but sooner or later someone will step on the train or kick it over

 

 

"Your yard is going to be a bit of a reach on the yard ladder."

 

Sorry, couldn't figure out how to do multiple quote blocks...  Anyway, I don't quite understand this part - can you elaborate?

 

Right now with only one train the yard is just for show and future planning.  I'll be building the whole thing in phases anyway, with the yard probably being added at the end "as needed".

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