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I have read with interest how helpful the members of this forum are when responding to requests of various kinds from other members. I am one of the newest members.  Howdy everyone.

Maybe someone can give me some guidance. This is my first design effort. I have drawn a layout that works for my basement area, and my goals are to depict an area meaningful to my family members coupled with interesting scenery and topography in other sections of the layout.

Briefly, I am building a non-prototypical model of the route of the Western Pacific (Locos F-3 ABA Diesel Set - 801A & 801D B Unit) consist of the California Zephyr from Chicago to Oakland from 1949 to 1970. That is 2400+ rail miles. Burlington, Iowa is 206 rail miles from Chicago and Burlington will receive personal attention and more benchwork space than otherwise merited because part of my family lives there and I was born there.  That part of the layout is pretty much decided.

My request for design and layout input ideas is for the right side of the layout (the 5’ by 28’ section).  In real rail miles is it only 118 miles – this is known as the Feather River Canyon route, from Portola, CA. to Oroville, CA.

I want to leave the outer continuous loop intact for my grandkids to operate. The interior loop can deviate from the outer loop and travel through whatever is designed for the 118 miles for viewing by the Zephyr passengers.

I also have a Lionel Western Pacific 4-8-4 GS-64 # 485, (6-38080) that was used during the era I am modeling for hauling loggers, timber, ore, etc. throughout the 118-mile area and fruit and vegetables from the Sacramento Valley. So, the WP locomotive and the WP steamer both will travel the 118-mile route, one for scenic purposes and one for working purposes.

The elevation goes from 4834 at Portola to 30 at Oroville.  The area is filled with too many things to depict – Keddie Wye, over and under bridges at Pulga, canyons, the Feather River, Sierra Nevada foothills, etc. Photos and history of the area are all over the internet.

The challenge is this:  What to put in the 5’ x 28’ layout space reserved for the Feather River Canyon as seen by passengers on the California Zephyr?  I have not a clue how to go about doing this. I defer to anyone who is willing to offer suggestions on what to depict, space needs between areas/cities, rail needs, scenery, tunnels, canyons, rivers, bridges, etc. It is a lot to try to depict.

I hope I haven’t bored anyone.

There are 2 pdf files and my AnyRail file in this post if anyone is interested in looking and maybe giving me some ideas.

Thanks for reading this far.

Gramps

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Nope - not boring.

From a global perspective on what features to potentially incorporate into your layout, I think being able to look at videos or actual layouts (large train shows) of others who model the same basic area of the country you're looking to model is extremely helpful and will give you many ideas for a starting point.

For specific items, see if you can get a catalogue from a company like Scenic Express - not only do they provide a source for purchasing the items you need, but they also show pictures of larger scenes that those items can be incorporated into. 

I hate to be the one to burst your layout bubble, but what you ask above is like trying to cram a size 15EEE foot into a size 6DD shoe.  So, let's start with a reality check.  The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago only models from Chicago to Seattle in 3500 square feet in O scale (at least it used to be O scale), and even it leaves out most of the actual towns between the two urban centers.  Instead, it depicts a number of industries served by rail and has lots of room for scenery.

So, my suggestion is for you to first scale back your "druthers" (dreams) to more closely match your "givens" (your space limitations).  For example, if you really need to model Burlington, IA, then create a plan that makes Burlington a centerpiece of your operation on the longer side of your "L".  Designate it as a Division Point where crew and engine changes have to be made as trains (passenger or freight) pass thru, requiring a roundhouse, engine servicing and small yard nearby.

Next, don't hinder your own enjoyment by designating and designing one loop as just for the grandkids.  Build it the way you want it, but create safety features (a way to cut off the outside loop from the rest of the railroad when they are running) for their enjoyment.  That way, you can run trains in a true double-track fashion when they are not around.

Finally, with a 5' width, the largest curve you will be able to use is O54, with something smaller on the inside loop where you will be running passenger trains.  Most here will recommend using at least O72 curves when running passenger equipment (and 4-8-4s) to avoid sideswipe and rounding corner damage.  With O72 as a minimum (your inside loop), you outside loop will have to be at least O81, which should make it highly unlikely for the grandkids to send anything to the floor.

If you have more space available, let us know and maybe something better suited to your druthers can be developed.

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