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Guys, saturday I was running my legacy heratige up katy engine and my newly aquired  tmcc with odyssey up sd70. Also on the layout but just sitting on a powered siding not moving an atlas tmcc sw9 switcher.both running engines were using max smoke output. And smoking well I might add. Then about 2 hours of running things went haywire.

I will explain my layouts power set up to help in maybe solving my issue?

My small 4 by 12 layout uses a 135 watt brick for just track power only. I have separate power for acessories. I run the 135 brick through a mth dcs tiu on channel 2 fixed input. I have the legacy tmcc signal wire from the legacy 990 base hooked to the output on fix 2 on the tiu. I am also using the legacy compatable mth 9 pin cable hooked to the 990 base and then to my old tmcc base. I power the tiu with an mth 50 watt brick also. I can and do run lionel and mth engines usually with no problems.

Now back to saturday. I was operating my layout with the engines stated above with smoke at max for about 2 hours or so strait. All of a sudden my engines stoped. The headlights started to flash voilently. Then my tmcc engines took of like a shot. Quickly shut power to the track off. Turned off all other equipment, Tiu,legacy base, power bricks. Waited about 5 mins. Powered everything back up. All engines and layout worked as normal. Ran things for another 30 min. No problems again that day. The next day I was operating the layout for about two hours again. Same engines same smoke volume. About 2 hours in the engines started acting up again. Powered down everything waited 5 min and repowered everything. Resumed running the trains again for about 30 min no problems. 

Never have I seen this behavior before. Anyone have an answer for what could be causing this? 

 

Last edited by Lionelzwl2012
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Just a shot in the dark......sounds to me the legacy base may be losing power after 2 hours thus causing the trains to go in conventional mode.  The 990 power supply may be overheating after 2 hours causing the base to lose power.   Try unplugging the power supply at the base and putting a meter on it while keeping the power supply plugged into the outlet...get a voltage reading.......then wait 2 hours, keeping power to the power supply then take another reading to see if any voltage drop.

I am sure others will chime in.

-Pete

Last edited by BFI66

Power strips will cause signal issue to the engines BUT it seems very unlikely this is the issue since you run fine for 2 hours. I suspect there is something in the base failing as it heats up. Once it cools down it works again. Try elevating the base off of what it's sitting on by putting something on the outside edges. This will help it stay cooler. This will at least possibly tell you if it's heat related. 

Typically the power strip issue is there or it's not. Unless something in the power strip is heating up and failing causing a signal issue. But I suspect the base. 

Any suggestion is worth a try though. 

Last edited by MartyE

Marty my initial thought was what you suggested.I will try that and see what happens. I had never run my layout that long with that much load before. Maybe my base is going bad. I have my new 990 base comming back from lionel this week. Very fast turn around time I might add. This is the second trip back. Hope they get it fixed. I belive they will. I sure hope this base is ok and not going bad or lionel will think I am doing something to these 990's. I treat all my stuff with great care. I even power up and down the layout in a certain maner. Btw tanks for the power strip info guys. Had never heard of that. My 990 base sits directly on a pine board with screws in the mounting hole to keep it in place. Maybe the air vent hole which is located on the bottom of the base is not getting enough ventilation. Maybe a big hole cut into the board directly under the 990 vent hole will be nessesary if marty's suggestion cures the problem. Kinda makes sense. Will run the layout tommorow and let you know what happens. Thanks guys.

Last edited by Lionelzwl2012

Most often happens in power strips with surge suppression. It interferes with the earth ground side of the signal getting to the house earth ground.   Since Legacy and TMCC rely on the house ground wiring to radiate that half of the track signal some power strips can cause issues with it.  

There really is no additional load on the command base its just generating a signal. I suspect it's more to do with the length of time. 

What do  you guys plug in the 990 power supply to. The wall outlet directly or a heavy duty grounded orange type exstention cord. I was using the power strips on the bottom board of my control panel. This way I could easily shut everything on and off. The power strips are connected to a heavy duty orange grounded exstention cord with grounded three way spliter which allows the two power strips to be plugged into the one cord. I keep the exstention cord plugged into a good know grounded outlet. I only unplug the orange exstention cord from the wall if it storms really bad. Do not want lighting to damage anything. Is this set up ok or shoud I do something different?  Uploaded a photo of my control pannel. You can see below left the two power strips.

 

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Last edited by Lionelzwl2012

Guys, tryed all the above suggestions. Put the base up on blocks. Also removed the 990 power supply from the power strip. Pluged it directly into the grounded exstention cord. Ran the same engines same smoke volume trying to recreate the operating scenario as before. Every thing ran fine. No hiccups this time. Even set the base back on the board as usual and every thing ran ok. If it occours while operating again I will let you know. Probably wont be running that long untill next weekend. Thanks for the advice. 

 

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