Well, I still haven't gotten a call, but I expect at least another week before that happens. I won't be able to get to my LTS until near the end of the month anyway, but when I do, I'll be sure to get it off to Pat unless UPS has gone on strike. Might have to use.... FedEx, dare not think it.
@Cmontagna posted:
Thanks for the detailed shots. If this is the ex-K Line running gear, it was modified quite a bit judging by the trailing truck snubber details behind the rear driver. So far it looks like the driver diameter is correct and the centers line up with major boiler features. Of course this is going by eye but it’s something I use to judge a model’s accuracy. It should be fun to compare to my 3rd Rail L1.
As for the color, I’m weathering mine anyway at some point.
@cswalter posted:Where is the B&M Berkshire I have been waiting for?
They broke the tooling?
Hoping no problems with that one.
That's one rumor. Another is Lionel has had a falling out with the Korean manufacture and the tooling is being held hostage. Thing is I heard both rumors from the same guy at Lionel so who knows what the real story is. I'm not holding my breath for these. Looks like I'll be holding on to my Kline berks for awhile.
@RickO posted:The new eta is 3/2024
While I wouldn't be surprised, where are you getting you're information? Lionel says August.
CharlesRo says October
@superwarp1 posted:While I wouldn't be surprised, where are you getting you're information? Lionel says August.
https://www.lionelstore.com/Te...LEGACY-Berkshire-602
Per Lionel - ugh
@N'awlins posted:https://www.lionelstore.com/Te...LEGACY-Berkshire-602
Per Lionel - ugh
Well, it's looking like rumor #2 is the more plausible answer for the delay. Beginning to have my doubts about this project.
Just received my L1 from Berkshire Station. Thought I’d share pics as I ordered a slightly different version than Chris. Here is my first impression.
First, it works great in forward and reverse pulling 7 21” passenger cars (that’s what I had on the track). No slipping or hesitation. It is back drivable. I’m not a fan of the banshee whistle in general, so glad is has another PRR option. Some like the train phone antenna and some don’t. But it adds extra detail and makes the model pop.
The green is light. Not awful, but about the same as my PRR Vision Class A. Or maybe a hair darker. Graphite smokebox looks great. Cab roof red is better than previous PRR models and looks good. The front step is black. I’m not sure if that’s prototypical or not, just an observation.
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Eric, I ordered the same model. The green looks slightly darker than Chris's version, but as noted, that could very well be the lighting. I do know that the green should look like it is black at first until you get a better look at it, at least it is not cream green. Curious, if the guts inside are the same, maybe Chris's model was a fluke? IDK, when mine comes in, it will still be making the trip for Pat to help give an answer to all about what is or isn't going on.
I received the L1 today. No problems. Runs perfect. I love it. Great runner. The paint is identical to the American flyer Legacy 2-8-8-2 from last year. They had a few buckets of it left over. 
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@Cmontagna posted:My replacement L1 works beautifully. My original is looking more and more like an isolated issue. The chaos this created is why I hesitate to share issues early on.
This is where we talk trains good an bad Chris. Theres nothing wrong with alerting folks to a "potential" issue.
I recall when the H10 was released. GunrunnerJohn discovered the audio board in the tender was mounted incorrectly at risk of shorting. I checked mine and it was mounted correctly.
Overall I think this thread is going well, some just concern, but the talk is civil and Pat/harmonyards is there offering help even after the warranty is up.
Nice! Glad to hear that the issue was maybe just a fluke. #1369 looks nice.
@EricTrainMan posted:. Some like the train phone antenna and some don’t. But it adds extra detail and makes the model pop.
Just out of curiosity, not being critical. I thought the catalog photo showed the trainphone antenna along only one side of the boiler,. Your is on both sides. What was the prototype like?
@RickO posted:Just out of curiosity, not being critical. I thought the catalog photo showed the trainphone antenna along only one side of the boiler,. Your is on both sides. What was the prototype like?
It shows both sides in catalog, zoom in.
Thanks Tom! I stand corrected.
@RickO posted:This is where we talk trains good an bad Chris. Theres nothing wrong with alerting folks to a "potential" issue.
I recall when the H10 was released. GunrunnerJohn discovered the audio board in the tender was mounted incorrectly at risk of shorting. I checked mine and it was mounted correctly.
Overall I think this thread is going well, some just concern, but the talk is civil and Pat/harmonyards is there offering help even after the warranty is up.
Agreed Rick, ….no matter how small or large the problem is, or even if there’s a problem at all, the doomsday preppers come out of the woodwork no matter what,….in every civil discussion we have, there’s always a few,….so I don’t see any chaos, …..they weed themselves out just fine without our help!….😉
Pat
@Prr7688 posted:@Cmontagna - you mention the paint color compared to your M1...
Can you post pics of the engines side by side, both in direct and diffused light?
Below is an image of my Lionel M1 vs the L1.
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@superwarp1 posted:That's one rumor. Another is Lionel has had a falling out with the Korean manufacture and the tooling is being held hostage. Thing is I heard both rumors from the same guy at Lionel so who knows what the real story is. I'm not holding my breath for these. Looks like I'll be holding on to my Kline berks for awhile.
I am ready to buy a legacy B&M with whistle steam. Bad on Lionel. Lets get it done.
I have a Brass one with TMCC from 3rd Rail Sunset Models. Its very nice. Bought cheap on the Bay and am pleased with it. Does not smoke very well but looks great.
@Cmontagna posted:
Here's my best guess relating to the chassis. MTH used their USRA Mikado chassis under the L1 boiler. Since MTH just produced a run of their USRA Mikado they still have that boiler/chassis tooling. Lionel probably purchased the L1 boiler tooling from MTH and adapted the Legacy USRA Mikado chassis to the L1 boiler.
It's kind of odd that the pilot ended up black.
I guess that allows the pilots to be painted the same across all road names.
@Lou1985 posted:Here's my best guess relating to the chassis. MTH used their USRA Mikado chassis under the L1 boiler. Since MTH just produced a run of their USRA Mikado they still have that boiler/chassis tooling. Lionel probably purchased the L1 boiler tooling from MTH and adapted the Legacy USRA Mikado chassis to the L1 boiler.
Yep,….with a 385 guaranteed!!….😉
Pat
Suddenly, most of these are now running 2 months behind.
I wonder if it has something to do with that coffee grinder sound in Chris's video?
@RickO posted:Suddenly, most of these are now running 2 months behind.
I wonder if it has something to do with that coffee grinder sound in Chris's video?
Your probably right
@tom21pa posted:Your probably right
For the record, I’ve run the crap out of mine and it’s still going strong.
@Cmontagna posted:I think this is because Lionel shuts down over the Holiday week and for most dealers they didn’t get shippments out until this week at the earliest.
The other items I ordered from Ro also got the two month bump also, and that's rolling Stock. Some dealers just have to wait for room too
@RickO posted:Suddenly, most of these are now running 2 months behind.
I wonder if it has something to do with that coffee grinder sound in Chris's video?
Yeah I don’t get it. The train phone version just says “out of stock” now at Charles Ro, while others are delayed. I haven’t got a shipping notice yet for the one I ordered though.
@rplst8 posted:Yeah I don’t get it. The train phone version just says “out of stock” now at Charles Ro, while others are delayed. I haven’t got a shipping notice yet for the one I ordered though.
The worst part is the radio silence. It’s 2023 - just post an update. Not that hard.
1369 arrived at my local train store on Wednesday. I won't be able to get down there to pick it up until next weekend as relatives are coming in tonight. Once I get it, like I said I'll send it down to Pat to have a look at the guts to see what is going on or what is not. This will definitely give an answer as to how things look inside. We just have to wait until I get it to Pat.
Looks like more dealers are getting these in; I suspect Berkshire Station got them first since they are located in NC and either took their own truck over to Lionel's warehouse to pick them up or something similar.
Mr. Muffin has his custom runs in.
@Cmontagna posted:Below is an image of my Lionel M1 vs the L1.
Thank you for sharing! Smokebox color looks to be back on point, the shade Brunswick on the L1 is okay but I still prefer the shade that is on the M1a better (...and yes with Lionel doing a true M1, we need to properly designate this an M1a now )
It would be very interesting to see the Lionel L1 next to one of the older MTH runs of the L1 with the same tooling
Here is a video of the Tuscan red version. Runs perfectly.
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The Tuscan isn't my thing, but that is sharp.
That engine has even better dark graphite on the smokebox as well as a pilot that matches the rest of the locomotive .
Lionel did a better job on the fantasy scheme. 🤔
@RickO posted:The Tuscan isn't my thing, but that is sharp.
That engine has even better dark graphite on the smokebox as well as a pilot that matches the rest of the locomotive .
Lionel did a better job on the fantasy scheme. 🤔
This was a Mr. Muffins run and I have determined special runs are more subtle, or correct, than production runs.
@Trainmaster04 posted:Here is a video of the Tuscan red version. Runs perfectly.
They’ve all run perfectly except for the one I happened to get. The red is a bit too light compared to the other Tuscan locomotives that have been released. They also were supposed to have train phone antennas and the delivered model doesn’t have it. This is a great model and unique look.
I got a call from Henning’s Trains that my LNE version is in. I will go get it and post photos when I get a chance.
@Trainmaster04 posted:Here is a video of the Tuscan red version. Runs perfectly.
These simple kinds of videos make me want to get my layout built. I moved late last year and since then I got my layout design finalized, but I haven't been able to actually start construction, but little clips like these remind me that building the layout is a goal worth pursuing!
@0-Gauge CJ posted:These simple kinds of videos make me want to get my layout built. I moved late last year and since then I got my layout design finalized, but I haven't been able to actually start construction, but little clips like these remind me that building the layout is a goal worth pursuing!
Keep at it and you’ll be running trains soon. Never lose sight of your dreams!
Just got an email from Charlesro that my L1 has shipped. What is interesting is they normally use UPS, but this time they shipped Fedex. Must be due to the possible strike in the near future.
