Lionel Century Club II TrainMaster fan service

I've seen those stiff from the get-go. Are you lubing the individual fan bearings?

Dave

@Dtrainmaster posted:

I've seen those stiff from the get-go. Are you lubing the individual fan bearings?

Dave

Sorry I left that out.yes and they are a pain in the ……

They are running well in the video. What lube did you use?

Dave

@Dtrainmaster posted:

They are running well in the video. What lube did you use?

Dave

I use DuPont clock oil, very light but clings

@ThatGuy posted:

The Century Club TrainMaster is unlike any other Lionel ever produced. Besides have beautiful detail; the fans that cool the radiators for the locomotives are motor driven.

The fans in the Lionel 6-28307 Legacy Wabash Trainmaster are power driven, at least mine are.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

The fans in the Lionel 6-28307 Legacy Wabash Trainmaster are power driven, at least mine are.

Correct, but they are a pain to maintain

There are others including the Lionel Lackawanna TMCC FM 6-18375.

Thanks for the info on rubber renue.

Agree that they are a bit of a pain to maintain.

@ThatGuy posted:

Correct, but they are a pain to maintain

True, I just though you were implying that the CC-II Trainmaster was the only engine that got the operating fans.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

True, I just though you were implying that the CC-II Trainmaster was the only engine that got the operating fans.

Sorry John I did not read your post correctly, I also did not realize the Lionel did the driven fan on another locomotive. I do have one question for you, my friend just brought his CC II engines over for service and his fans run fine in conventional but nothing in command. I did hit the engine reset on the hand held when it happened . Any thoughts ?

I believe they only run with the smoke on.  That's the first thing that comes to mind.  You might also reprogram the engine.

It this the TMCC engine?  I couldn't find a product number for this.

GRJ, they changed the design of the fan's power transmission from belts to gears in the later Legacy issue.

The Century Club II FM Demonstrators TM-1 & TM-2, a set, were TMCC.

I wondered about that as I took my Legacy Trainmaster off the shelf after a long rest and the fans still ran.  Too bad Lionel dropped that feature in the later versions of the Legacy Trainmaster.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I wondered about that as I took my Legacy Trainmaster off the shelf after a long rest and the fans still ran.  Too bad Lionel dropped that feature in the later versions of the Legacy Trainmaster.

Hi John, yes on the TMCC and the smoke is on. Dam near smoked us out of the room.  Is the reset/program the same as for all TMCC engines .

I couldn't find the manual for the CC-II TrainMaster, but the reset should be in there.  Typically, for a TMCC diesel, it's AUX1/8, but sometimes it's different.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I couldn't find the manual for the CC-II TrainMaster, but the reset should be in there.  Typically, for a TMCC diesel, it's AUX1/8, but sometimes it's different.

Found mine, good guess the last code is 8.

the entire setup is:

slide program switch to PGM

press eng ID#

press set

press eng and enter number ID again

press AUX 1

enter 8

turn off track power for 10 sec

place PGM switch back to run

thanks for the input John

Those are the only things I can think of for the fan running in conventional and not command.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Those are the only things I can think of for the fan running in conventional and not command.

Well John here is a new one, when running the engines in command with a CAB-2 set for TMCC a + and - appears on the key pad. + turns on the fans and - turns off the fans. Not in the book……but it works. Again thanks for your input.

The - and + are the smoke controls, they in the same place as the 8 and 9 keys.  They should also be turning on the smoke.  Of course, if the smoke switch is off, then the smoke wouldn't work, but I suspect the fans might not go through that switch.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

The - and + are the smoke controls, they in the same place as the 8 and 9 keys.  They should also be turning on the smoke.  Of course, if the smoke switch is off, then the smoke wouldn't work, but I suspect the fans might not go through that switch.

That’s what I thought but the fans go on and off and the smoke stays on……in the end he is happy

Well, I'm confused, I've never seen those keys do that, but whatever works!

Dumb question, how does he turn off the smoke under command control if the +/- keys don't work?

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, I'm confused, I've never seen those keys do that, but whatever works!

Dumb question, how does he turn off the smoke under command control if the +/- keys don't work?

I tried it and it does not turn off the smoke. I am thinking it might need a reset but with the age of the CC II control boards I think best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Well, that's the problem.   Those keys are the smoke control keys, so I suspect the R2LC has croaked.  This model "might" have the smoke voltage regulator module, in which case that's the defective part.  In either case, the parts are no longer available at Lionel.

Nice repair on the fan belts, …..good job,….if the smoke reg is jammed wide open, it can be bypassed by isolating the smoke resistor, and swapping in a 27 ohm TMCC resistor, and wiring that to the radio board…….we just leave the reg sitting there, thinking to itself what a wonderful job its doing,……you’ll still be able to use the + & - keys to raise and lower the voltage ……providing like John says, and the radio board hasn’t croaked too,….

Pat

The triac on the R2LC is replaceable, I've done a ton of those.  However, the fact that it controls the fan suggests to me that the R2LC is good.  It also looks like there is a regulator that is stuck but still regulating.  The regulators have all sorts of failure modes, and of course they're no longer stocked by Lionel.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

The triac on the R2LC is replaceable, I've done a ton of those.  However, the fact that it controls the fan suggests to me that the R2LC is good.  It also looks like there is a regulator that is stuck but still regulating.  The regulators have all sorts of failure modes, and of course they're no longer stocked by Lionel.

They were bad news when they were new…….😉

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

They were bad news when they were new…….😉

Pat

Yep, and the news hasn't improved!