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Hi all: first post here, so I'll give a bit of background first. I'm 25, a graduate student in college currently, and have rekindled a love of model railroading recently that had been dead since my early teens. My family had a bunch of postwar Lionel when I was younger that I recently dug out from the attic while on break, and I have been adding to the collection slowly with what little savings I can toss at cars and accessories. 

 

My semester break is in a couple weeks, and my father and I usually find some sort of project on which to work while I'm home- in the past usually car-related. I know a dealer layout may be a bit much to scratch build in ten days, but we've decided we can start the project and continue it during summer. Having watched videos and looked at photos, I've settled on a D-148 for the layout, but cannot find any track plans online, and also cannot afford Roger Carp's book (costs more used than any texts I'm using in school). The idea is to use the 148 as a base, but stretch it around a foot in each direction to provide a bit more footprint on which to add accessories, and perhaps an additional outer loop (I have four postwar engines now-two diesel switchers and two steam locomotives-  and wouldn't mind running all on one display).  

 

I've looked at this thread for inspiration, but, again, would like a bit more guidance in terms of layout design before going all-in on building this:https://ogrforum.com/topic/lionel-dealer-display-layouts-factory-layouts-and-postwar-layouts?page=3

 

Finally, I understand a bit how the finish on these was done (paint+the dyed sawdust), but if anyone had any further tips on getting right the look to match Lionel's work it would be appreciated (the mountain, in particular).

 

Thanks for any help you all can provide.

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Hi Andrew,

Do you mean this layout in the attached photo?

 

The material used for the mountains is difficult to find. It was somewhat toxic. I believe someone had mentioned in a thread long ago about a source for something with a similar look. I think you'll have to adapt on that one.

 

There are also discussions of the method of using Rit dye to make your own sawdust scenic material. Wouldn't the Woodland Scenics vinyl mat in the similar postwar color be more practical?

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I've got all the Lionel Dealer Displays on DVD and can provide. Agree on the Carp book. Way too pricey and he also doesn't have all of the displays. 

 

Moonman = Got your email and will send it shortly. Glad to help.

 

Btw, on my D-105 (under construction) I have a fairly large mountain with 5 tunnel portals. I've tried to capture the Lionel display "look," using the old cardboard strips/newspaper method covered with Woodland Scenics Plaster Cloth. Turning out pretty well. I may even be painting this weekend.

 

 

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Yeah, the turf color for these layouts is usually a blend. I took one of the "greens" and one of the "yellows" (forget their actual names) and just sort of blended it trying different combos to get the right color.

 

You may also find that long thread on Dealer Displays helpful (think it's the one linked above). I know Christopher's great PW layout is in there somewhere and he talks about blending turf to get the right look.

 

Seems much easier than the dyed sawdust method.

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Thanks for all the help, everyone. I got a copy of the plan and all the track needed to make it happen. Looking into the mountain a bit more now. I think I'm going to try mixing those Woodland Scenics blends to get the look I want, but I'm going to buy a bag of 919 grass first and see how close the Woodland Scenics product is in terms of texture. If I'm unhappy with the texture I'll go another direction. 

 

I got sent a thread about the construction of dealer display mountains, but am uncertain still what I'll be doing there. Again, the goal is to get the look as close as possible to the originals, but with perhaps a bit more track, so if anyone else has any ideas on that it would be appreciated.

 

Finally, given it's my first layout build, anyone have any other tips or tricks? Thanks.

Lionel used pieces of metal for the hot and common buss. You can use 12awg and then splice or suitcase connectors to tap in to the buss with 16awg for the track leads. Same but smaller gauge taps for the accessory power.

 

I think you'll find the #919 chunkier than the modern stuff. To my eye, it's more the mix of brown, green and yellow-green color that's unique, rather than the texture.

Originally Posted by Moonman:

Lionel used pieces of metal for the hot and common buss. You can use 12awg and then splice or suitcase connectors to tap in to the buss with 16awg for the track leads. Same but smaller gauge taps for the accessory power.

 

I think you'll find the #919 chunkier than the modern stuff. To my eye, it's more the mix of brown, green and yellow-green color that's unique, rather than the texture.

Agreed on the wiring. Definitely use hot and common bus lines from the transformer and then you can tap into them as needed. I used one of the many versions of suitcase connectors out there with good results. This is especially helpful for wiring the many accessories, lights and signals used on these Display Layouts.

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