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I'm toying with the idea of expanding my FasTrack layout. The problem is I can't really expand the length or width so I've decided to expand it vertically! My design goals are:

1) Being able to run two trains independently on the main level

2) Being able to run a conventional train on a separate loop

3) Have room for my operating accessories: K-Line milk depot, AEC reactor, sawmill, American Flyer oil drum loader and the Lionel horse corral

4) Plenty of tunnels, a trestle and a bridge

5) A yard capable of storing 15-20 pieces of rolling stock. 

 

Prototypical realism and running Big Boys is clearly not a requirement!  

 

I've come up with a tripe layer layout. The top layer will be a simple loop running conventional trains. The main layer will be two nested loops with a reversing loop. The bottom layer will be subterranean reversing loop and yard. The incline is 4% which should be fine since I rarely pull more than 3-5 cars. There will be access panels on the sides to gain access to the tunnels and also access holes on the bottom layer. I've kept all of the switches exposed rather than in tunnels. The table will be mounted on rollers so I can access the switches in back. I'd love to get some extra eyes looking at this to make sure I didn't miss anything. 

 

 

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Looks good! Here are a couple of suggestions. I would move the tunnel in the upper left corner back until after the curved track and begin the grade there if possible. Second, check the clearance between your siding and inside mainline.

 

 

3layer

 

For scenery, what do you have planned? With the horse corral, oil drum loader, trestles, and high mountain peaks, I get a rocky mountain vibe.

 

 

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I decided to move that switch further to the right, past the O72 crossover. Those two 30" sections on the ramp will be covered. Moving the switch will ultimately give me a little more room between the main layer and the subterranean yard. I do plan to have a couple of openings in the bottom of the first layer should I ever need to service the switches are recover a derailed car. I'm also changing it from an O36 switch to an O72 which will space the ramp and mainline a little closer and also set it so the ramp segments pass directly over each other like a corkscrew which should make the benchwork a little easier. It will also make it easier to build a tall bridge support for the two 30" MTH arch steel bridges I plan to run for the top most third layer. I used the O36 mainly because I already own it. I'll instead use it on the subterranean yard to create an engine siding. At some point I'll get a third engine.
 
The siding with the K-Line milk depot is fine. The purple tracks are basically my current existing layout and that siding does (barely) clear the inner mainline. 
 
Rocky mountain is pretty much the look I'll probably go for. I plan to run the mountain on the left all the way up to the ceiling. Going to use Eric Siegel/Bragdon resign casting to make a light but realistic mountain. The area containing the operating accessories will basically be a valley at the bottom of a gorge. 
 
I only have about 1/2 the track for this right now. I do own all the switches except the ones for the yard sidings. I think my plan will be to build the bottom two layers first with the bottom layer missing the sidings and just being a simple return loop. I'll add the sidings as funds permit and also save the top layer for last. Figure this should keep me busy for a few months!
 
Originally Posted by ChessieFan72:

Looks good! Here are a couple of suggestions. I would move the tunnel in the upper left corner back until after the curved track and begin the grade there if possible. Second, check the clearance between your siding and inside mainline.

 

 

3layer

 

For scenery, what do you have planned? With the horse corral, oil drum loader, trestles, and high mountain peaks, I get a rocky mountain vibe.

 

 

1280px-Canadian_Pacific_Railway_train_crossing_Fraser_River_on_Cisco_bridge_at_Siska,_British_Columbia_[2010-Jun-13)

 

Hey SSUP,

I think that you have answered my concern. By moving the 072 switch to right, was that to increase the length of the track to the lower level?

 

Murphy will get you if don't leave enough space between the yard level and main level to reach in there.

 

Determine what will work height-wise by stacking some panels in a mock-up fashion to find what space is good for your reach.

 

The lower yard spurs seem to be of sufficient length to park complete trains and kill power. I think you will get more play value from changing trains than trying to do cut and build operations under there.

 

Keeping the upper layer from blocking the view of the lower layer is always a challenge.

 

You should play around with making it an oval and use something like Atlas 0108 or a Gargraves large radius to cross the layout with a snake track and support with nice trestle. here's 20"high

SeattleSUP 11.2.2015 3D

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Yup, moving the switch and making it an O72 means I'll now have 18" of clearance between the bottom and mid layers. I did a mock up this weekend and found that's enough room for me to poke my head up inside and service the switches (or install new ones as I can afford them). Plus the mountains will be hollow which will also provide some headroom. The backs of the mountains will also have access panels and I'll probably move the two tunnel portals in the lower left a little more forward so they're at the curves. Putting tunnel portals on curves means I'll only need to extend the tunnel lining in a few inches at which point the curve will block visibility and I can have the rest of the tunnel be wide open for access. 
 
The window looking into the yard is 12" and is set to be at eye level when sitting on a small chair. If sight lines are still a problem I'll put in one of those inexpensive surveillance/web camera kits. 
 
Parking complete trains isn't really possible for me just yet. Right now I only have one TMCC engine controlled by a CAB-1L and one PS2 engine controlled by the MTH remote (which is easier for my kids to use than the CAB) At some point I'll upgrade to LCS and the iPad app to control the switches. 
 
I thought about more of an oval shape for the top loop and played around with several designs but wound up with the bent barbell shape for the following reasons: 
1) Needed to maintain easy reach access to operating accessories (especially AEC reactor and sawmill) 
2) I wanted to have both the double MTH steel arch bridges AND a small wooden trestle (I plan to use the XL sized bents from Grand Central gems). I also doubt I have the patience to build a longer trestle!
3) I wanted part of loop to have the trains running along the edge of a cliff. I saw some great terrain examples of this in the TJ's Trains videos on YouTube
4) I already own the two switches I'd need which keeps it simple plus it will have the train reversing direction with each run which makes a short run that much more interesting. 
 
The top loop will be conventional power. Conventional engines from Williams and others are so much less expensive than TMCC locos and my plan is to run them on that top loop until I can afford to convert them to TMCC using an ERR kit. 
 
The one mistake I need to remember not to make this time is with tunnel portals. I used to have some tunnels with the Lionel plastic portals on my layout but then discovered the hard way that they're too low to run my bobbing head Monsters Inc car which the kids love.
 
Originally Posted by Moonman:

Hey SSUP,

I think that you have answered my concern. By moving the 072 switch to right, was that to increase the length of the track to the lower level?

 

Murphy will get you if don't leave enough space between the yard level and main level to reach in there.

 

Determine what will work height-wise by stacking some panels in a mock-up fashion to find what space is good for your reach.

 

The lower yard spurs seem to be of sufficient length to park complete trains and kill power. I think you will get more play value from changing trains than trying to do cut and build operations under there.

 

Keeping the upper layer from blocking the view of the lower layer is always a challenge.

 

You should play around with making it an oval and use something like Atlas 0108 or a Gargraves large radius to cross the layout with a snake track and support with nice trestle. here's 20"high

SeattleSUP 11.2.2015 3D

 

Thanks! This will be the 5th iteration of my layout in the past 2-3 years. Every time I revise it I do so it's because of new tips and tricks I've learned on this forum. Hopefully I'll have it all figured out by the time the kids are out of the house and I've reached retirement age! That seems to be when a lot of people finally put together their big layouts.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Moonman:

Sounds like you have considered most everything that you should. It will be a cool looking layout.

 

 

 

 

 

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