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I'm not talking about painting the nursery here... I need some advice on a subject I have NO experience with:  Using sheet foam as the surface material for a layout.

 

First let me say I'm NOT interested in Homasote.  I've used that material twice before and there were disadvantages.  Frankly I doubt I could get any here in north Texas.

 

This will be an operations-oriented layout with mostly flat surfaces (i.e., not open-grid benchwork.)  My plan is to put the foam sheets over module decks made from 1/2" plywood, and then mount Ross track directly on the foam.  I've used Midwest cork roadbed in the past, but tinplate track is already taller than prototypical height.  Putting roadbed under it only worsens the visual effect.  Strip roadbed also isn't ideal for yard areas.  So my plan is to mount the track to whatever constitutes the layout surface.  Using foam should make things quieter, relative to mounting the track directly on the plywood.

 

I'm thinking that using one or two sheets of foam will let me gouge out a convincing pond or gully if I decide the layout needs one.  I also might glue a few sheets together to make a hill or cut in the corners, if I feel the need for more varied terrain.

 

Now I've seen both pink and blue foam.  My #1 concern is not releasing toxic fumes or dust if I drill, sand, cut or accidentally melt some of it.  Also, I've seen paint literally disintegrate some types of foam.  I'm also concerned that when trying to drill through it for track wiring, it will melt, gall or gum up my drills, making this part of the job even more difficult.

 

I have both a Lowe's and Home Depot nearby.  So what kind of foam should I look for?  Pink?  Blue?  Any specific name brand or trade name?  Any particular types of glue, paint, cutting tools that will make the job easier?  Thanks in advance for sharing your experience working with foam!  -Ted

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Pink and blue are the same stuff, different manufacturer.

Pink = Owens Corning

Blue = Dow

 

What you don't want is white "beads". They're even messier.

A sharp knife is the tool of choice. A hot wire also works, but I hate the smell.

 

Keep a vacuum handy. This stuff has the same static cling properties as packing peanuts. Drill bits work just fine, as they don't generate enough heat to melt it.

 

Paint with latex or do a test if you plan to use solvent based. There are special glues for it, but white glue also works well.

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I am right now putting together a shelf layout using half inch ply topped with half inch foam. Pink or blue as previously stated are same. With half inch foam I just cut with razor blade and snap for straight cuts. I cut two inch foam with a jig saw works fine. I am going to try securing foam to ply using carpet tape.

FWIW, I've never found the 2" in blue, so I ended up with the pink.

When it comes to painting, there is a facer film that you'll want to peel off first. Elliot is spot-on; latex paint works fine. I use a box cutter or drywall saw to cut it. Liquid Nails has a glue for Foam that works great.

 

Gilly

 

You can use a drill, table saw or any power tools on the pink or blue foam without any problem. It cuts clean without melting or releasing any fumes. Solvent based paints and glues will dissolve the foam. Latex paints or any water based paints or glues work perfectly. I use plain old Elmer's white glue to attach to plywood or bond to itself.

The Home Depot's around here have the 2" foam in 2' X 8' panels.  Lowes carried 2" foam in 4' X 8' panels.  I used what ever I could get home.  I covered my plywood base with 1" foam and built risers by putting thicker foam on top.  I used the foam glue in the caulking gun tubes.  I didn't remove the plastic film, I covered everything with a mesh product from Home Depot called FibaTape Super Crack Stop.  It's just like the fiberglass drywall tape, except it comes in a 36" wide roll.  Once this was applied I covered everything with a skim coat of Structolite.  Once it dried I painted it with latex paint.  The Structolite is very forgiving and can fill voids and cover hills.

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I was thinking purple...that's what you have when pink and blue get together...oh, you are talking about insulation board.

 

I second Kon's recommendation for the Bosch blades in a jigsaw. I found the 6" length on Amazon. But, anything will cut it. The construction guys use a machete. The Bosch blade is great for clean edges.

it takes a little practice and messing with saw cause the Foam likes to vibrate. the best part is there's no mess ( way to cold to cut outside here) . super smooth edges.  for inclines i set my blade to 45 degrees and cuts like butter around a corner.


Originally Posted by Moonman:

I was thinking purple...that's what you have when pink and blue get together...oh, you are talking about insulation board.

 

I second Kon's recommendation for the Bosch blades in a jigsaw. I found the 6" length on Amazon. But, anything will cut it. The construction guys use a machete. The Bosch blade is great for clean edges.

 

 

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I have Pink, Blue and Green.  Our Lowes ditched the blue for green. 

 

1" foam on top of plywood base.  Mainly for noise.  I built an 8 foot removable bridge section out of 2" pink from HD in case I ever need access to my furnace.

 

I too used Latex like others suggested.  HD has "oops" paint really cheap.  They had an ugly green gallon for $3.  I painted the blue with the green paint.

 

Some pics attached so you can see the application.  Save all your scrap.  I used that to make the mountain/cliff and the bridge.

 

Added note... Buy some of the paper breathing masks if you plan to cut with anything other than a knife or sand the foam.  The dust is very fine.  You will be gald you did 20 years from now.

 

Ron

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look up construction supplies whole sale...talk to the YARD BOSS tell him you are looking for damaged pieces..length is the desired aspect, width not so much..for a case of beer you can get a lot..I used to go to a few places and they let me "clean up" the area..once after a Tornado  got a whole pallet of 3" that was tossed through their sky light..I had so much tied to the top of my Chevy Astro,  I was concerned about fitting under the bridges on HWY 270 as I drove to my LHS to trade some off.

I build a grid of 1 X 3 on 2 foot centers to run my trains..why add plywood when you do not need it?

coarse drywall screws grip fine, but if more tension is needed I add a small piece of scrap wood under the foam and use a longer screw.

also construction sites are a good place to pick up scrap...a case of beer goes a long way...

Someone makes a purple foam board.  I've seen it on new construction sites.
 
Originally Posted by Moonman:

I was thinking purple...that's what you have when pink and blue get together...oh, you are talking about insulation board.

 

I second Kon's recommendation for the Bosch blades in a jigsaw. I found the 6" length on Amazon. But, anything will cut it. The construction guys use a machete. The Bosch blade is great for clean edges.

 

I've found 4" thick pieces of blue foam in construction dumpsters.  Never larger then 18" X 12".  I looked for a supply source, but never found one.  I don't speak Spanish so I was at a disadvantage.  I did find a source for custom cut white beaded foam that I used for my elevated section.  Minimal cutting and minimal mess.

..why add plywood when you do not need it?

The author mentioned using the foam as part of sound suppression.  It's been my experience that foam alone is louder than that of a wood base with a foam top.  Watch this early video of my layout.  Most all is a 2x4 construction with a plywood top, 1" foam on top of that and cork roadbed.  Listen carefully to the train when it comes out of the tunnel and crosses my ALL FOAM 8 foot pink bridge.  It get's louder.  I'm a big fan of foam... but if sound suppression is your goal you should consider combining the foam with other material.

 

Ron

 

 

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