New Layout Enzo & Giovana Trains - Updated - 01/17/23

Leandro,

Good to see that you have a new one planned. A double track main line is always good. Just do not get too close to the walls. You need enough room engine overhang on the curves and enough room for scenery. You may also want to think about adding some spurs along the way so you can do some switching. Be sure to leave enough room for people to move around. I'm sure others will chime in here with ideas. Great start!

Chris

LVHR

Leandro,

Looks like you have a good plan. Perhaps eventually add some mountains, tunnels and scenery.  Whatever you decide, just have fun.

John 

How did you solve the humidity so that you don't have to dismantle this layout too?  

I like the basic layout - maybe some staging tracks, yard tracks for your turntable and sidings?  To accomplish the yard, you might consider putting the turntable on the other leg, as it has a longer approach which is a nice area for yard tracks. 

I very happy the forum, because I always have help from you.

#Chris, thanks for your comments! Surely I will stay away from the walls ! Next works will be to add spurs and different levels. It will be a challenge!

#John, thank you for your comments ! Yes I have that to have, mountains, tunnels, river because my son wants very much.

#PJB,thank you for your comments ! - It will be a brand new space.  I'm going to do this test with the turntable, but I thought in these places to have more space for a city.

Hi Leandro,

I have a few thoughts about working with Atlas track.

You don't really need the 40" Flex straights. They don't flex like HO track.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item #6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.

Atlas doesn't ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version

I believe that you would be happier with #5 turnouts for the crossovers.

Give the Atlas track planning software a try. It supports multiple languages. You may find it easier to learn.

Looks like a nice plan. As mentioned about locomotive overhang, we have a few where the cab hangs out farther than the boiler, and my friends wall has the scrapes to prove it. Great idea to plan for the work area. Keep us posted and good luck with EnzoVille 2.2.

Leandro,

Agree with Moonman comments on Atlas track.  Glad you decided to put yout plan on the forum.  Members on this forum have been invaluable to me in the past.  If I can help in any way, continue to email me.  Keep us posted.

Moonman posted:

Hi Leandro,

I have a few thoughts about working with Atlas track.

You don't really need the 40" Flex straights. They don't flex like HO track.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item #6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.

Atlas doesn't ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version

I believe that you would be happier with #5 turnouts for the crossovers.

Give the Atlas track planning software a try. It supports multiple languages. You may find it easier to learn.

You do not really need the 40 "Flex straights. They do not flex like HO track.
#Carl, you're not the first person to tell me that! I'm going to use 054 and 063 is it best that I buy the curves already in the measure?

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item # 6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.
#Thanks for this tip I did not know and I will buy.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.
#Yes, I felt it in the old layout.

Atlas does not ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version
#But I can remove the straight as I have seen in some pictures.

I believe that you would be happy with # 5 turnouts for the crossovers.
#Sorry, but I did not understand.

W&W posted:

Leandro,

Agree with Moonman comments on Atlas track.  Glad you decided to put yout plan on the forum.  Members on this forum have been invaluable to me in the past.  If I can help in any way, continue to email me.  Keep us posted.

 

Craig, Thank you !!!

Leandro Garcia posted:

Moonman posted:

Hi Leandro,

I have a few thoughts about working with Atlas track.

You don't really need the 40" Flex straights. They don't flex like HO track.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item #6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.

Atlas doesn't ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version

I believe that you would be happier with #5 turnouts for the crossovers.

Give the Atlas track planning software a try. It supports multiple languages. You may find it easier to learn.

You do not really need the 40 "Flex straights. They do not flex like HO track.
#Carl, you're not the first person to tell me that! I'm going to use 054 and 063 is it best that I buy the curves already in the measure?

yes.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item # 6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.
#Thanks for this tip I did not know and I will buy.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.
#Yes, I felt it in the old layout.

Atlas does not ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version
#But I can remove the straight as I have seen in some pictures.

Yes

I believe that you would be happy with # 5 turnouts for the crossovers.
#Sorry, but I did not understand.

Smaller radius, almost flat switch for mainline crossovers at the top and bottom

I have modified your track plan in the Atlas software. I have Attached the software and the Enzoville layout file.

Here's a 3D:

I added reversing loops, #5 mainline crossovers. The fitment is somewhat different. I am not sure why you the O54 switch complex in the East.

Anyway, good luck with the rebuild and I hope this provides some ideas.

PS - right-click & save-as for the files.

Moonman posted:

Leandro Garcia posted:

Moonman posted:

Hi Leandro,

I have a few thoughts about working with Atlas track.

You don't really need the 40" Flex straights. They don't flex like HO track.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item #6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.

Atlas doesn't ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version

I believe that you would be happier with #5 turnouts for the crossovers.

Give the Atlas track planning software a try. It supports multiple languages. You may find it easier to learn.

You do not really need the 40 "Flex straights. They do not flex like HO track.
#Carl, you're not the first person to tell me that! I'm going to use 054 and 063 is it best that I buy the curves already in the measure?

yes.

You can cut any track to a custom length or arc angle. Order item # 6057 when you order the track. Those replace the ties when the track is cut and add the snap connectors.
#Thanks for this tip I did not know and I will buy.

Be sure to order enough extra rail joiners. Good to have in inventory.
#Yes, I felt it in the old layout.

Atlas does not ship the "short" switches any longer that are listed in the RRT library. Some have a removable piece included to make the "short" version
#But I can remove the straight as I have seen in some pictures.

Yes

I believe that you would be happy with # 5 turnouts for the crossovers.
#Sorry, but I did not understand.

Smaller radius, almost flat switch for mainline crossovers at the top and bottom

I have modified your track plan in the Atlas software. I have Attached the software and the Enzoville layout file.

Here's a 3D:

I added reversing loops, #5 mainline crossovers. The fitment is somewhat different. I am not sure why you the O54 switch complex in the East.

Anyway, good luck with the rebuild and I hope this provides some ideas.

PS - right-click & save-as for the files.

Carl, Thank you very much !!

Your work was very good and really you gave good ideas.

I'm will install the Atlas software.

I have a doubt. Why use #5 in replace 054 switch?

Thanks !

Leandro, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It was such a pleasure to visit your home and layout! You did such a wonderful job on Enzoville, considering the resources available to you in Brasil. Check your FB messenger when you can! Lots of luck on your next masterpiece! 

Works to new space !

Here is another plan for your 15' X 24' layout space (assuming access to the right).  [your diagram is 15X24, as are your dimensions in centimeters.   Minimum O-63 for the outer route, and O-54 for the inside route, which I left as you specified, perhaps for easier access to the center of the loops.   

There is a siding to the center-left to stop at the station and as a switching lead.   There is route to connect the loops which is O-72 minimum all around the perimeter and over the bridge to the right.   You could build the bridge track on a folding table if you like, or leave it as a long lift-out bridge (must be ridged construction).

Can be expanded, with O-72 minimum for the outer route if you like.   Additional yard tracks can be added at the bottom.  The triangular access and viewing areas are also great places to take photos.

-Ken

Ken-Oscale posted:

Here is another plan for your 15' X 24' layout space (assuming access to the right).  [your diagram is 15X24, as are your dimensions in centimeters.   Minimum O-63 for the outer route, and O-54 for the inside route, which I left as you specified, perhaps for easier access to the center of the loops.   

There is a siding to the center-left to stop at the station and as a switching lead.   There is route to connect the loops which is O-72 minimum all around the perimeter and over the bridge to the right.   You could build the bridge track on a folding table if you like, or leave it as a long lift-out bridge (must be ridged construction).

Can be expanded, with O-72 minimum for the outer route if you like.   Additional yard tracks can be added at the bottom.  The triangular access and viewing areas are also great places to take photos.

-Ken

Ken, 

Fantastico, really a great idea, thank you! ! What program did you use? Can you share the file?

Thanks,

Leandro, I am using AnyRail, which has a free download at AnyRail.com.   You can load and view this plan with the free version, but cannot save any changes (until you purchase the software).   You can hover the mouse over any section of track to see what it is at the bottom of the screen.  Glad you like it!   Here is an improvement along with the AnyRail file.

Ken, Thanks !

I know AnyRail !!

Hello !

New details from the work in new space !

Looks like you’ve been working hard. New space looks great!

Leandro,

I agree looks like some serious work is taking place on your train room.   Go with Kens Engineering design, as usual his work is top shelf.

Post some pictures as you build, love to see the work in progress!

This should be a real nice Train Room, remember the dehumidifiers!

PCRR/Dave

Thanks for sharing the construction photos. Its great to see the way things are done in other parts of the world. That's a great looking room. Love the windows.

Go Leandro! What a great idea you have and you're getting lots of great ideas to complement the ones you already have. One question: unless I'm a bad guesser (quite possible) your new room doesn't appear to be twelve feet wide? On closer looks, I'm probably a bad guesser, but I really do like your lighting arrangements. Keep us informed, please. What trains will you run?

W&W posted:

Looks like you’ve been working hard. New space looks great!

Craig, Thanks !

How is your progress?

Pine Creek Railroad posted:

Leandro,

I agree looks like some serious work is taking place on your train room.   Go with Kens Engineering design, as usual his work is top shelf.

Post some pictures as you build, love to see the work in progress!

This should be a real nice Train Room, remember the dehumidifiers!

PCRR/Dave

Thanks, Dave !

Yes, I remenber the dehumidifiers!

12 monkeys posted:

Thanks for sharing the construction photos. Its great to see the way things are done in other parts of the world. That's a great looking room. Love the windows.

 

 

Thanks !

Virginian65 posted:

Go Leandro! What a great idea you have and you're getting lots of great ideas to complement the ones you already have. One question: unless I'm a bad guesser (quite possible) your new room doesn't appear to be twelve feet wide? On closer looks, I'm probably a bad guesser, but I really do like your lighting arrangements. Keep us informed, please. What trains will you run?

Hi ! Thanks !

It is 12.46 x 19.68 ft. I run Lionel Legacy only, but I think in new layout to input DCS MTH !

I would like many things, but I can't to use all space, so I did option to use 054 and 063.

I think in bridges, tunnel, upper and lower, but I don't know how to made all things !

Friends !

Really, I'm lost with my new track plan!

I thought about leaving room for a bench, etc, but some friends think I should expand to 072 at the very least!

When I try to do the track plans I have no idea and the plans are strange !!

I think I'll have to have a help from a professional.

What do you think?

Thank you

Are you talking about a work bench?

My suggestion, don’t have your work bench near the layout, I’ve found there’s always dust/debris floating around and getting into things on the work bench.  I’m looking at a solution to the same problem now.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Are you talking about a work bench?

My suggestion, don’t have your work bench near the layout, I’ve found there’s always dust/debris floating around and getting into things on the work bench.  I’m looking at a solution to the same problem now.

Yes, work bench ! I had not thought of that !

I would ask for help right here! There are some very talented track designers here that make some really nice plans and they like doing it too. Just give them the exact measurements of the space, any other specifics and what you want to have on your layout and they will come up with something for you. 

I am with you, track planning is probably my least favorite part of the hobby and my self designed plans are really terrible. 

rtr12 posted:

I would ask for help right here! There are some very talented track designers here that make some really nice plans and they like doing it too. Just give them the exact measurements of the space, any other specifics and what you want to have on your layout and they will come up with something for you. 

I am with you, track planning is probably my least favorite part of the hobby and my self designed plans are really terrible. 

Thanks !

designed plans are really terrible.....designed plans are really terrible ! Yes me too !

If none of the design folks reply to this thread, try starting a new one asking for layout plan design help or something like that. 

Good luck, I am sure you will come up with something by working with the good folks here.

Leandro, Your room looks great!  I'm with you, not very imaginative when it comes to layout design!  Hopefully someone will come up with some ideas to get things rolling.

Do you have a plan in mind?  12' x 20'.  I know exactly what I would build.

Thanks ! RTR12 !

Mark, yes ! Thanks !

William,

Do you have a plan in mind?  12' x 20'.  I know exactly what I would build.

So, I would like to have everything ! my son want bridge, tunnel, lake, city and industry. I know what not space enough for all this ! 

Room 12' x 19' !

I thought to use 072 for the curves and to try to put the curve up and other down due to lack of room for larger radius (an idea).

Control two trains at the same time and Legacy / DCS.

I already have MTH Station Red other buildings

I was forgetting the Turntable Atlas! (My dream was to change to Millhouse).

Thanks!

Leandro,

While you are still in the planning stage of the layout, take some time and paint the walls BEFORE you put any wood up!  I suggest a Cobalt Blue or similar shade. You can also paint some clouds. The darker blue will really make the clouds "pop". There are numerous tutorials on the web about how to do this. Jim Barrett had an article near the beginning of his building a layout series that explained it as well. The nice thing is if you don't like your work, you simply paint over it! By the way, MUCH easier to do this when there is no layout in the way.... Just figure out how high the layout will be and go from there.

Chris

LVHR

The new room is done !

The room looks great Leandro!  When will you be able to start building the new layout?

Nice work!