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Good News Regarding the Western Maryland class J-1 4-8-4 Potomac!

C ChessieManOGR Forum Member
I received some very encouraging news about a potential new locomotive project, the Western Maryland class J-1 4-8-4 Potomac.

I was speaking with Joe Hayter of Weaver Models at York yesterday and complimented him on how well the Lackawanna Pocono turned out. I told him that I would not purchase one because of my preference for road names close to me. When asked what I would like to see I told him about the Western Maryland J-1 Potomac. Joe stated that he had been considering producing this model and he seems pretty serious about doing the project. In fact, while discussing this with him two other people walked up and expressed their interest.

If you would like to see this model produced please contact Joe Hayter at:

Weaver Models
PO Box 231
Northumberland, PA 17857
USA

E-Mail: customerservice@weavermodels.com

Phone: 570-473-9434

Fax: 570-473-3293

Office Hours: 8:00 AM - 4:30 PM Monday - Friday (eastern)









And here is the real thing.

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P paradoxguyOGR Forum Member
Admittedly the Western Maryland roadname did not hold particular interest for me, but I have to say the 4-8-4 model depicted in your photos looks superb. If Weaver or 3rd-Rail made a commercial model looking like the one you showed, I'd be interested. Did you commission the model in your photos? Is it an operating O-scale model? I found a website for Car and Locomotive Shop (http://www.car-locomotive.com/), but it does not seem to be operative.

Thanks for posting.

Ken
B bob2OGR Forum Member
Unless Weaver gets ahold of Henry Bultmann and copies that puppy, there will probably never be a finer model in O Scale. Henry pulled out all the stops on several WM prototypes, plus the SP 4-10-2 and some FM Train Masters. They are the definitive models in 2-rail O scale, and I would own all of them if I were wealthy.

These things still exist for sale, I believe, and if you have the bucks, the opportunity is fleeting.

Opinion.
G gregj410OGR Forum Member
quote:
Originally posted by bob2:
Unless Weaver gets ahold of Henry Bultmann and copies that puppy, there will probably never be a finer model in O Scale. Henry pulled out all the stops on several WM prototypes, plus the SP 4-10-2 and some FM Train Masters. They are the definitive models in 2-rail O scale, and I would own all of them if I were wealthy.

These things still exist for sale, I believe, and if you have the bucks, the opportunity is fleeting.

Opinion.


When his site was still around, I saw a photo of the WM 2-6-6-4 and it was almost enough to convert me to 2-rail. Very nice stuff. If anyone has a link to his site could you post it please?
P paradoxguyOGR Forum Member
By "still exist for sale", do you mean Henry is selling them directly online or by mail-order, or just that they can be found on the secondary market (i.e., eBay and other auction sites)?

Thanks,
Ken

quote:
Originally posted by bob2:
Unless Weaver gets ahold of Henry Bultmann and copies that puppy, there will probably never be a finer model in O Scale. Henry pulled out all the stops on several WM prototypes, plus the SP 4-10-2 and some FM Train Masters. They are the definitive models in 2-rail O scale, and I would own all of them if I were wealthy.

These things still exist for sale, I believe, and if you have the bucks, the opportunity is fleeting.

Opinion.
C ChessieManOGR Forum Member
quote:
Originally posted by bob2:
Unless Weaver gets ahold of Henry Bultmann and copies that puppy, there will probably never be a finer model in O Scale. Henry pulled out all the stops on several WM prototypes, plus the SP 4-10-2 and some FM Train Masters. They are the definitive models in 2-rail O scale, and I would own all of them if I were wealthy.

These things still exist for sale, I believe, and if you have the bucks, the opportunity is fleeting.

Opinion.


Acknowledging and accepting all that your have said, it has no value to a 3-rail modeler because the Bultman model (Car and locomotive Shop) will not run on 3-rail track no matter what you do to it. Furthermore, not many of us are not willing to pay $2,4000 to $3,000 for all of that chassis detail that we never see when the trains are running. I have seen this Bultman model and I know that it has trouble negotiating some curves on 2-rail layouts . . .

The Car and Locomotive Shop and its website no longer exist due to bankruptcy.
CN christopher N&WOGR Forum Member
The Bultmann engine is designed for 72" radius. I think I recall Larry Kline from the MTJ forum saying he got his to go around lower than 60" radius with some modifications. You could probably cut it in half and get it to run on 36" radius.

I'd agree with bob2 to a degree that Weaver should buy and send that model overseas and work backwards to 3 rail tolerances from there and not mess with reinventing the wheel. I know that sounds bad, but that is an awesome model and would be invaluable as a reference.
B bandofanOGR Forum Member
NOW you tell me Chessie Man. 72 inch minimum radius is what the literature says in the box for the model in this thread. I hope Christopher can point me in the direction of those engine mods. Otherwise, I have GREATLY simplified my track plan. It will be a straight line point to point or a nice, O144 circle!

I will send an email to Weaver too, requesting 2 rail versions.

Gary
C ChessieManOGR Forum Member
quote:
Originally posted by bandofan:
NOW you tell me Chessie Man. 72 inch minimum radius is what the literature says in the box for the model in this thread. I hope Christopher can point me in the direction of those engine mods. Otherwise, I have GREATLY simplified my track plan. It will be a straight line point to point or a nice, O144 circle!

I will send an email to Weaver too, requesting 2 rail versions.

Gary


Sorry about that but I did not learn this until Friday afternoon at York. You still have a very fine model on your hands and I can only dream that I had the space and the means to own a Car and Locomotive Shop J-1 model.







D500D500OGR Forum Member
The MoPac had some 4-8-4's with 2 sand domes.

They were built from MoPac Berkshires, and the 2 domes remained.

The locos were given, among other things, longer boilers, as the 4-8-4 was a larger loco.

Next to the NYC Niagara, the MoPac "home made" 4-8-4's were the best looking examples of the type, to my eyes.

I won't be buying a WM 4-8-4, but if Weaver were to do the MoPac, I'd be all over it. So handsome. (MoPac had a later class of 4-8-4, which did not have the same level of good looks.)
C ChessieManOGR Forum Member
The Western Maryland did not purchase the J-1s for mountain service. The J-1s replaced the M-2 challengers in fast freight service between Cumberland and Hagerstown Maryland, and between Hagerstown, Maryland and Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The J-1s shared the latter route with Readings's T-1 notherrns. However, there was Williamsport Hill to contend with on the climb out of the Potomac River Valley to Hagerstown.

At the end of steam, they were used as pushers between Cumberland and Bowest Junction, an assignment that was usually reserved for a big I-2 decapod..
C ChessieManOGR Forum Member
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Tighe:
Freight-only 4-8-4's? Hmmmm...TP&W, C of G, LV, Soo Line, Rock Island 5100's. DL&W and RF&P had both passenger and freight versions, as did - I think - NP. I believe the Milwaukee's S2's were also freighters. I believe the Reading T1's were also intended for freight.


Thanks for the information. I forgot about the Reading T-1s and the RF&P General class 4-8-4s (duh). The Lackawanna Poconos were freight only?
DL&W PeteDL&W PeteOGR Forum Member
train doctor,

the LV copied the lackawanna 4-8-4's from alco. so if you really wanted too, you could replace the tender lettering with Lehigh Valley.

chessie,

the lackawanna's 55 4-8-4's for the most parts were dual purpose engines, #1501-1505 were bought just for passenger service with 77" drivers. but the #1601-1650 could be used on both freight or passenger. some had 70", and the rest had 74" drivers

but there was at one point or time when one of the 1500's 4-8-4's or one of the 4-6-4's #1151-1155 hudsons with 80" drivers was used on a freight run. in one of my books, it has a picture of the 1155 in the headend of a freight run.
EO Eric OxnerOGR Forum Member
Great scott!!!That is got to be 1 of the biggest northern i have seen.I mean at first look that don,t look that big.That is until you see a man stand beside it.
quote:
Originally posted by ChessieMan:
quote:
Originally posted by bandofan:
NOW you tell me Chessie Man. 72 inch minimum radius is what the literature says in the box for the model in this thread. I hope Christopher can point me in the direction of those engine mods. Otherwise, I have GREATLY simplified my track plan. It will be a straight line point to point or a nice, O144 circle!

I will send an email to Weaver too, requesting 2 rail versions.

Gary


Sorry about that but I did not learn this until Friday afternoon at York. You still have a very fine model on your hands and I can only dream that I had the space and the means to own a Car and Locomotive Shop J-1 model.







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