How About A PRR H10?

One manufacturer I would think would be able to do it with some embellishments to existing tooling would be MTH.  They use that body type in a lot of starter sets.  

Going from that, I'm sure they could make a super detailed version!

Norm posted:

As we know,there were many,many Consolidated 2-8-0's built.  I would like to see a brawny Pennsy H10 done up right.

Perhaps this could be done by 3rd Rail.  With so many roads using this class of  steamer,I'll bet that it would be a good seller.

Norm 

Except the PRR was the only railroad to have the Belpair firebox (Yes I know the Great Northern did also, but not on such a large 2-8-0 as an H10), thus a manufacturer would not be able to realistically offer it for any other railroad. 

Eddie Marra posted:

One manufacturer I would think would be able to do it with some embellishments to existing tooling would be MTH.  They use that body type in a lot of starter sets.  

Going from that, I'm sure they could make a super detailed version!

I've always believed - and have always been surprised it hasn't happened - that an "Imperial" level detailed version of the same MTH RTR train set 2-8-0 would be a smash hit. No real tooling changes would be needed. Depending on cost, you could even modify the tooling to get rid of the Belpaire firebox. I've always been rather surprised an "Imperial" version of the RTR 2-8-0 hasn't happened.

SJC posted:

Eddie Marra posted:

One manufacturer I would think would be able to do it with some embellishments to existing tooling would be MTH.  They use that body type in a lot of starter sets.  

Going from that, I'm sure they could make a super detailed version!

I've always believed - and have always been surprised it hasn't happened - that an "Imperial" level detailed version of the same MTH RTR train set 2-8-0 would be a smash hit. No real tooling changes would be needed. Depending on cost, you could even modify the tooling to get rid of the Belpaire firebox. I've always been rather surprised an "Imperial" version of the RTR 2-8-0 hasn't happened.

Didn't MTH trumpet that their RailKing 2-8-0 was close to or pretty much scale?  Taking that tooling, moving it to the Imperial line with some top of the line Pennsy cars behind it and it would be gorgeous!

When I volunteer at the Railroad Museum in Strasburg, I try to get my shifts working on the H6sb because I have the MTH 2-8-0's I run at home!  I know the MTH ones are H-10s, but I can imagine, can't I?

Are the mth H10s not a good model?

My preference would be a H9s or H8s for Lines East in 2 rail.  I've love to see Sunset / 3rd Rail do one.  It would take 75 reservations in 2 and 3 rail to make it happen.

The prr consolidation is one of my favorite locos. I have a Lionel scale version which I  can't remember the Hilton no. designation at the moment. The tender is modest compared to the H10. The MTH H10 is a nicely detailed engine from the photos and the large tender really enhances the profile. 

Uh, your wish was granted, way back. MTH has offered a Premier PRR H10 2-8-0.

Check item 20-3055-1 (among others); delivered in March 2001 - 15 years ago, per the MTH website.

A little simple research does wonders; I found this out in 3 minutes.

The MTH H10 from 2006 is one heckuva nice chooch:

MTH also offered one with a Lines East tender in 2013.

Rusty

I believe that MTH has issued at least 3 runs of their Premier PRR H10s.  It is a very good model with typical add-on brass details like many of the Premier steam locomotives.

Weaver also sold a nice brass scale model of the H10s.  I have several of them and about the only flaw is that the stack is a little larger in diameter than it should be (to allow the use of a Seuthe smoke unit).  These models are about 25 years old now and thus don't have command or sound but do have very smooth running mechanisms.  They are available on the secondary market for $300 or less, so adding command and sound yields a nice locomotive for a pretty reasonable price.

The MTH Rail King 2-8-0 is a crude representation of an H10.  The casting would need quite a bit of work to be an "imperial" model.

Lionel took a 2-8-0 mechanism from a Union Pacific locomotive, stuck a boiler with a Belpaire firebox on it and called it a PRR H9s.  The driver spacing is far too wide for an H10 and the boiler needed to be stretched to match the mechanism so the locomotive has more of a stretched/sleek look as opposed to a chunky H10s.

Sunset imported a brass 2-rail H8/H9 model many years ago.  The locomotive came as an H8 with steam delivery to the cylinders inside the cylinder/saddle casting like the prototype.  The model came with a pair of outside steam delivery pipes that could be added by the customer to turn the locomotive into an H9.  The H8 and H9 have never been done correctly in 3-rail.

Mth's Premier H10 was a real gem. Husky and well detailed.

Lionel's H9 was lame to say the least.

Low level of detail. Single chuff, wimpy piston smoke, poor speed control.

I have a MTH Premier, H-9 Reading RR, and was so impressed with it, I put it in a display case along with a premier Reading caboose, where I can see it all the time.

Actually, PRR sold H10s to the Western Allegheny and the DT&I.     There may have been other shortlines.     And they ran on the Long Island RR.

In 2 rail, Central Locomotive Works (CLW) did a great kit.    They started with the Saginaw kit/tooling and upgraded it many times over the years.    The last version had nice lost wax castings for detail.    These are often seen built up used at shows.    Always test run if interested.

I think one of the high end brass importers in the 80s did a super detail version too.  

Well I have both the Weaver H10 and the Lionel    H9 purchased from auction at a discount. Time to send it to the Gunrunner for the superchuffer 2!

I rather see the former PRR Strasburg engines d16 #1223 or the E3sd come to life. Or the PRR 2-8-8-0!

In O scale hands down the most accurate PRR class H8/9/10 models were imported  around 1990 by Key.  They did an H8sc, an H9s, and an H10s.  Photo's below.  The Sunset 1980's brass import had flaws- most notably a straight (vice conical) boiler and undersized valve gear.  The Weaver 2-8-0  H10 shared some components with the Key model as they both were built by Samhongsa in Korea.  The problem with the Weaver model is that the smokebox was elongated over it's scale dimensioned Key cousin.  The MTH H10 boiler and cab  is nicely proportioned but I don't care for the thick cab windows and tank top due to being cast metal.  IMO the 2 rail Central Locomotive Works cast boiler H10 isn't as finely done as the MTH one.  For a 3 rail PRR H10 the MTH model is the best yet imported.  Sunset 3rd Rail could easily improve on it but with all the existing models brought in over the years,  Scott may not be able to get enough orders.    

The Weaver H10. 

Weaver H10 is first on the table.  Mouse over image and click on the triangle lower left corner for a video. 

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

I rather see the former PRR Strasburg engines d16 #1223 or the E3sd come to life. Or the PRR 2-8-8-0!

Interesting ideas - do an engine that hasn't been done repeatedly and then again after that....

Agree the MTH premier rendition is a great looking model. I'd still like to see a RK Imperial  version.  

Here is a pic of my Weaver H10.  It has been upgraded with PS2, and is a very nice engine.

Here is the RailKing H10 next to my Weaver.  It is pretty Spartan and I agree would take a lot of rework to be an Imperial engine.

Mwb, it's not only an engine that hasn't been done but ones that still exists and ran on the Strasburg. I believe that many will buy these two, esp to recreate the 198? Fan trip to Harrisburg from Strasburg and back.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Mwb, it's not only an engine that hasn't been done but ones that still exists and ran on the Strasburg. I believe that many will buy these two, esp to recreate the 198? Fan trip to Harrisburg from Strasburg and back.

Understood.  Either of the small engines you listed would interest me.