Dear All,
Yesterday, I went to my LHS and purchased a Lionel 6-18064. The catch was that the eccentric rod was broken, (pictures attached.) Can someone help me locate the part, (lionel is out of stock) as well as tell me how to fix it? Your help is greatly appreciated.
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If you need an eccentric crank, you're certainly on the right forum.
I would remove it from the engine and try glueing it together with JB Weld. Also google "700E-46 eccentric". That is the part number for the scale hudson and readily available from the repro parts guys like Jeff Kane. It may very well be the same part.
Pete
"If you need an eccentric crank, you're certainly on the right forum."
It's like you've known me for years.
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But seriously, folks - I'd try the epoxy fix first - well, second, after looking for a part on the InterWebs - epoxy is great stuff, but does require a bit of area to exhibit any bonding strength. Worth a try, though - what are you going to do - break it? That eccentric crank/rod actually does no work at all on this model - it just flops some (incomplete) valve gear around, so little strength is needed. A little silver/light gray paint will help hide the repair. If possible and visually acceptable, try to work a little piece of flat brass - or wire, even - into the repair equation to add strength - think permanent splint.
OR - in this case, as it is easily fixed again and not prone to being lost, try a little good CA/Super Glue (the splint here too, maybe) and see how long it lasts, before fiddling with the epoxy. So you have to fix it every 5 years... Gorilla Glue CA claims to have improved shear strength by retaining a smidge of flex. Dunno - I do use it, though.
Call Lionel. The site states unavailable. My money would be on a phone call. They will find one for you. Do it right. Someone will respond to your post that has a junker.
Please note that the part you seek is NOT the same as the 700E-46 eccentric crank that was mentioned above. The 610-8064-046 passes through thinner siderods, therefore it isn't as long as the 700E-46.
Here's an option to consider... if you strike out on finding an exact match, the previous version of the Mohawk was 6-18009, and both eccentric rod assemblies (including the crank) are available.
6108009216 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. R.H. $10 (from North Lima train works -- this would be the side you need)
6108009217 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. L.H. $10 (direct from Lionel)
Two caveats. First, I don't have one of these handy to check the dimensions, but there's a good chance that they will work. Second, the 18009 had a plated siderod finish, versus the sulfate on the 18064, so the finish won't match. But it would be better than what you have now.
Good luck, and hope this helps.
TRW
I wouldn't waste my time using epoxy. It looks like it already has been epoxied once. I think it could easily be drilled and tapped and a proper screw installed for a permanent fix.
PaperTRW posted:Please note that the part you seek is NOT the same as the 700E-46 eccentric crank that was mentioned above. The 610-8064-046 passes through thinner siderods, therefore it isn't as long as the 700E-46.
Here's an option to consider... if you strike out on finding an exact match, the previous version of the Mohawk was 6-18009, and both eccentric rod assemblies (including the crank) are available.
6108009216 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. R.H. $10 (from North Lima train works -- this would be the side you need)
6108009217 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. L.H. $10 (direct from Lionel)Two caveats. First, I don't have one of these handy to check the dimensions, but there's a good chance that they will work. Second, the 18009 had a plated siderod finish, versus the sulfate on the 18064, so the finish won't match. But it would be better than what you have now.
Good luck, and hope this helps.
TRW
Todd, is the eccentric rod riveted to the eccentric or held on by a screw? Either way I think the 18064 rod could be removed and installed on the 18009 crank.
As for the Hudson crank being too long that is better than being to short. At least metal could be filed off to make it the same length.
Pete
I would think that both Lionel Mohawks, 6-18009 and 6-18064 would be identical parts-wise for the exception of the smoke deflectors added to the latter. There are 9 of the 6-18009 Mohawks on Ebay at present. Might eventually be able to find one for parts. There is also the 6-18025 blue T&P engine Lionel made for Sears. I have successfully used JB Weld on one of my locomotives although the part glued was not a rotating one. I too would make an attempt to call Lionel and inquire about parts for either of the 3 Mohawks. You never know. Also, in your pictures it appears as if the last owner replaced the hex head screw with a slotted one. Good luck with the search and repair.
If you can post a close up of the good crank and rod from the other side I may be able to help.
I hope this is ok to join in on someone else's post. I apologize if I should have started a new one. I also need help finding a Eccentric Crank, but for a Royal Blue 556. I've searched for days on the net with out any luck. I can't even find the correct part number. I did find a diagram for a Lionel 354 with a part number of PA5447. Does anyone know if AF 556 and Lionel's 350, 354 all used the same Eccentric Crank? I think they even used the same shell when the company changed hands. I did Email Lionel and was told they didn't have any information on American Flyer.
PaperTRW posted:Please note that the part you seek is NOT the same as the 700E-46 eccentric crank that was mentioned above. The 610-8064-046 passes through thinner siderods, therefore it isn't as long as the 700E-46.
Here's an option to consider... if you strike out on finding an exact match, the previous version of the Mohawk was 6-18009, and both eccentric rod assemblies (including the crank) are available.
6108009216 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. R.H. $10 (from North Lima train works -- this would be the side you need)
6108009217 (SP) ECC. ROD ASSY. L.H. $10 (direct from Lionel)
These parts are both available from Brasseur Electric Trains
Nix the epoxy fix snd get a replacement part: Jeff at the Train Tender is very knowledgable and the folks at Brasseur are also helpful. GOOD LUCK! :-)
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