Skip to main content

Hello,  I hope you all can help me get unstuck on my current layout redesign.



The layout is for my 7 year old son, who is obsessed with trains, and this has been a really fun ride with him over the last couple years going from a ready to run set to having a decent sized layout and watching him control the trains, switches and accessories with his TMCC remote.

The current layout looks like this:

basement-layout_current

We started working on changing it to the following design, which was based off someones layout I saw in this forum. I'm sorry I don't remember who it was so I can't give them credit.

basement-layout 2.0rev2

The problem I ran into is with the inclines (blue track) being too step in order to get the elevated tracks over the tunnel area in the top right, and then the decline(orange track) from the bridge down the main level.

Before I try and move further along, I wanted to get advice from the professionals here

My son is really into just running trains, scenery is not really important right now, with the exception of train stations. He likes running his F40PH Metra and stopping at stations and also likes pulling intermodal cars with his BNSF Dash 9, so I would like to be able to run 2 trains at once.  Tunnels and bridges are a must. If it matters, we have 2 x 6-12722 and 2 x 6-12770 bridges.  I have a large assortment of Fastrack and Fastrack switches, if you need an inventory, I can provide that if it helps.  The accessories that get the most use are crossing gates, or lighting around the stations and yard area.

Below is the space I have to work with, the green area is the ideal space to be used, it could go farther to the right a few feet but there is a pole and a drain pipe that may get in the way.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.  I know SCARM is the standard around here for layout design, but i am a Mac user, so I have been using RailModeler Pro.  If needed, I do have a Windows machine, and am open to buying SCARM to get my son back to playing with his trains.  If you would like the .layout file for railmodeler pro, I can provide that as well.

Regards,

Chris

BASEMENT LAYOUT

Attachments

Images (3)
  • BASEMENT  LAYOUT
  • basement-layout 2.0rev2
  • basement-layout_current
Last edited by ChrisM
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

have you considered an "around the room" (or space available) layout, where you have a lift bridge or something like that that lets you into the center of the layout. This will allow a long double main line run without the need for steep grades. With 11ft wide, you could have an island for a yard or industrial sidings of some type.

Chris,

On the Mac you can run Parallels Desktop to give you a Windows capability. I've done that in the past to run RRTrack on the Mac.  I do have a separate Windows computer to run SCARM. All of these modeling programs are useful for planning grades and clearances (or telling you not to plan a grade at all.)

But before even using the programs, I would determine/experiment the steepest grade--in actual practice-- you can reasonable tolerate using your track and trains your son likes to run.   IMHO, the left side, where you have an over-and-under is a design stress point. Doing a quick back-of-the-paper bag calculation, your inside gold loop has 156" of track. With trying to achieve a 6" clearance that amounts to a 4% grade. Is that going to work for you?  Once we know the grade, and the clearance height, then the plan can be adjusted.  On the right side, we can then determine where the track can go above (or below) the tunnel. (You can also have a two-level tunnel.)

I couldn't read the labels in the photo that was posted, so I decided to see what I could come up that was close and would fit the space, here you go. The green and shadowed green tracks are at 0" elevation. The Blue tracks are at 6" elevation. The gold and shadowed gold tracks are grades with the displayed slopes. I deleted the passing siding in the upper left because I didn't think it was long enough to be of much value. If you want to pursue this and need track labels, just let me know.

Oh, and I rotated it to put the longest length on the X-axis and get more workspace on the screen.

ChrisM 2021-03-15 daz

ChrisM 2021-03-15 daz3d

Attachments

Images (2)
  • ChrisM 2021-03-15 daz
  • ChrisM 2021-03-15 daz3d
Last edited by DoubleDAZ

Thank you all for your responses, it is very much appreciated. 

Dave,  You made that seem to simple.  I like the layout and it looks like it also leaves room for expansion if desired.

I saw a mention of doing an "around the room" layout, is that a better use of the space?  A lift bridge is not out of the question as I have the room and materials I think to accomplish it.

Regards,

Chris

Here's an around the walls design. However, as Jan mentioned, you can see the problem with access to various pieces of equipment. They can be dealt with using removable modules, so it's not a lost cause, just some work if you're up for it. The Blue outline is the bench work assuming a 30" reach. There is an entryway near the stairs. The Black outline is the existing layout space.

ChrisM 2021-03-15a daz

Attachments

Images (1)
  • ChrisM 2021-03-15a daz

I think Dave's design first design (the island with walk-in) is a great design for interesting continuous running in that space. However, it doesn't have any reversion options. This may not be a big deal for you, but I think you definitely could work some reversing loops into that amount of space to help keep things more interesting.

@ChrisM are you looking to build something permanent or keep things more modular where you and your son can tear up the track plan and change things up? That's a pretty big factor in your design, IMO. I think you can still add bridges and tunnels while keeping things modular, but it definitely requires a little more time and thought.

What's your minimum radius? That will help anyone who wants to throw more designs your way. I also use RailModeler Pro on Mac. Feel free to share some files if you wish!

I'm working with a 9' x 12' space made of modular benchwork (woodland scenics) bolted together in our garage and just finished setting up and wiring my 3rd or 4th version of the track plan (love Fastrack for this). I don't have a lot of grades due to the modular nature of my layout, but I've 3D printed some trestles I use to get the outer line up to match the height of the lift-out extended truss bridge.

9x12_fastrack

Attachments

Images (1)
  • 9x12_fastrack

This opinion may be at odds with what others suggest, so take it for what it is worth.

In a challenging space, shift your thinking away from about building a layout.  Instead, fit your track to the terrain of your basement like real railroads fit their track to the real world.

In practice, consider these design principles:

Build "layout" on and around your turnarounds, which have a certain minimum size based on the curves you are using.  Situate these turnarounds where you want them/have room for them.

In between, I would encourage you to do what you need to do.  A real railroad can put a few miles of track through a desert or a swamp or whatever.  Your model railroad can follow a scrap of lumber between your hot and cold plumbing, behind the water heater, over the sump pump, under the stairs, or whatever.  These scraps of lumber can of course be designed for easy removal.

You might end up with two beautiful scenic areas that happen to be connected by a much less lovely yet highly functional length of trackage.  I don't see any shame in that.

I wonder if @Ken-Oscale has designed anything for a space like this. I won't pretend I'm anywhere near his level, but here's something I put together in RailModeller. It has 2 lines with reversing options, a passing siding, and a small yard. It features a double crossover for switching between the lines. Both lines are O36 minimum radius with some larger curves sprinkled in.

11x15Screen Shot 2021-03-19 at 7.47.09 AM

Attachments

Images (2)
  • 11x15
  • Screen Shot 2021-03-19 at 7.47.09 AM
Files (1)

Add Reply

Post
The Track Planning and Layout Design Forum is sponsored by

AN OGR FORUM CHARTER SPONSOR
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×