Does anyone know what fluid was used by the Lionel 3927 Track Cleaner to clean track? Was it something as simple as soapy water?
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Does anyone know what fluid was used by the Lionel 3927 Track Cleaner to clean track? Was it something as simple as soapy water?
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It was not water based. Other than that, I would guess it was some light petrol or alcohol based solvent with a very high flash point.
In 1956 the track cleaning fluid changed. The first version is solvent based and cannot be used with the track cleaning car. Besides as it would be very dangerous from the large surface area from the sponge and a spark from the roller pick up would set the whole bottom of the car on fire! And it discolors the orange to white. How many cars have you seen with a discolored center section meant for fresh wiping cylinders?
When the track cleaning car came out in 1956 the cleaning fluid was given a new number of 3927-50. that was the fluid in the cars' canisters and in new colored metal cans, later plastic bottles. This is basically 409 or Fantastic cleaners. They are plastic compatible with the orange plastic. But it doesn't do as good a job cleaning as the old solvent based fluid.
Take care replacing the sponge as when you pull out the arbor to replace the plastic is some what brittle and could snap the prongs on the wash head gear that grabs the top ball part of the arbor. Best to take the body off and push down with a slim object from the top to release the arbor for sponge replacement.
Great tip about the washer head gear and the ball part of the arbor. It seems that the majority of track cleaning cars I have seen have one of those parts damaged.
At one time I used Fantastic with my track cleaning car. I didn't bother with the well on the top of the car. I just wet the sponge directly.
Thanks for the tips. The Cleaning Car I had as a kid still works, just needs a drop of oil on the wheels and the armature of the motor. The original foam on the cleaning wheel gave up long ago, and has been replaced at least twice, if memory serves. I was not aware that the wheel was removable, so that part has not been damaged. Yet.
Any ideas as to whether those discs are still available, either NOS or equivalent?
I never tried flammable liquids, always figured that was a bad idea. Simple Green was used once, but that changes the color of the foam. Dish soaps like Dawn gave off bubbles, the kids and grandkids seemed to enjoy that. I'll get some Fantastik and give that a try.
My dentist is as crazy about trains as I am, and is my supplier for those white cotton pledgets that wipe up the mess. I get a hand full every 6 months or so.
Chuck,
Thank you for your valuable information to help us properly clean the track, but also to avoid damaging the Track Cleaning car.
Ralph
The metal disk to which the sponge is attached is available. The arbor (removable part that holds the metal disk) has been reproduced. As far as I know, the washer head gear (part the arbor snaps into) has not been reproduced, and is difficult to find.
By the way, don't forget to lubricate the lower armature bearing, and the shafts on which the intermediary gears turn.
I have had track cleaning cars pass through my hands with extreme wear in these spots. The armature and first gear spin pretty fast.
Here is a link to the Lionel service manual pages, posted on the Olsens web site.
I modified my cleaning car to use ScotchBrite and run at command voltages. I inserted a 3A diode in series with the motor as it was really screaming at 18 volts, it runs plenty fast with the diode. The ScotchBrite pad spinning as it goes along really cleans well.
Dear John
Which 3A diode did you use?
A plain old 3A silicon diode, I have a couple hundred of them left over from a previous life, I'm still working my way through them. Just look for a 3A diode with at least 200 volt rating and you'll be fine.
For those of us who are not electrical genius-types...could you...will you please post a diagram of how to wire the diode in series with that motor?
Thanks...in advance.
Dear John
Would a 1N4003 series diode work or do I need something else?
Dear SD60M
All you have to do is cut the wire, strip the wire, solder the diode. and use shrink tube. Just remember that the line on the diode is closest to the motor.
Has anyone else used hydrogen peroxide to clean their track ? I usually use alcohol and a cotton rag but the HP seams to get it perfectly clean. I cleaned my track last weekend using HP for the first time so hopefully if someone says that s a bad idea I can stop before its too late :-)
What is the benefit to using hydrogen peroxide?
Assuming I am interpreting what I see on the web correctly, it is mildly acidic.
Club soda is slightly more acidic. I wonder how well it would clean track.
I have a small layout, so I can clean my track by hand in a relatively short amount of time.
Sometimes I just use a clean dry cloth. It picks up lots of dirt.
When the mood strikes me, I use a bit of my favorite solvent: pure odorless mineral spirits.
I use just enough to moisten a small section of my cloth, not the whole thing. (Maybe two-three inches square)
I have an aversion to exposing myself or my family to chemical vapors, and try to minimize it.
All you have to do is cut the wire, strip the wire, solder the diode. and use shrink tube. Just remember that the line on the diode is closest to the motor.
I don't think it matters which way the diode is oriented, so long as the train is being run with A.C.
nvocc5 posted:Dear John
Would a 1N4003 series diode work or do I need something else?
That's a 1 amp diode, not really suitable for this task.
1N5403...1N5407 are a suitable range of 3A diodes.
Dear John
Thank you!
Dear SD60M
I was corrected by C.W. Burfle. He is right it does not matter which you place the diode on this circuit.
Yep, anywhere in the motor supply leads will do fine. Even between the field connection and brush would work.
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