Lionel High short hood GP30 sample?

I believe Alco trucks are prototypical to Southern Units.

When the Southern Railway bought their GP30s I think they traded in RS3s and reused the trucks.

 

I am mistaken somewhat - Southern's GP35s were built with trade in Alco trucks, the GP30s have bloomberg trucks.

I'll post some pics later.

GM&O, SOO and Milwaukee had GP30's with Alco trucks. Of those, I believe SOO had high hood GP30's. I'll have recheck the high hood part. But if that is correct, looks like we're getting SOO GP30's.

Well, since the model was a "sample", maybe they are showing us that they will be producing the GP30 in road specific livery by showing a high hood and Alco trucks? Time will only tell.

The Gulf Mobil & Ohio had GP30's and 35's with traded in Alco trucks.

 

I want to say that Atlas has made GP35's with Alco trucks.

 Dan

 

 

 All of the GM&0 GP30's rode on the Alco trucks that I believe came from the sizable fleet of FA's that were traded in.

GM&O 524 southbound at Granite City IL, May 27 1977.  

 

 

 

The first group of GM&O GP35s' rode the Alco trade in trucks, but the later deliveries had EMD trucks.

GM&O 627 North at Mitchell, IL, in 1978.

Yes, that is all well and good but, I was specifically referring to the high short hood versions of GP30s, delivered to ONLY the N&W and Southern Railway customers. Any photos of THOSE specific units with Alco trucks would be appreciated.

SOO LINE GP30 #700 still has ALCo FA trucks. It is low short hood.

 

It was a mistake to put the shell on the frame with ALCo trucks.

 

 

 

Andrew

Are you absolutely sure that it was just a "mistake"?

Well, for me, they can use trucks from Mars as long as they do something in Soo Line. I didn't care for the SD60 they did (and that was 5 years ago), and other than that the last thing they did in Soo (other than a cheapo RS-3 in a starter set) was the SD40-2 cataloged way back in 2001. 

The ALCo trucks were not very good for riding.  

 

The railroad management should have paid more to get the higher quality EMD Blomberg trucks.

 

Andrew

Hot water

I think Andrew is kidding - referring to the insult to the EMD Cab to have Alco trucks.

THE reason, and the ONLY reason that I did not purchase the Lionel Illinois Central Gulf

GP30 was the incorrect Blomberg trucks.

 

The only ICG GP30's were the repainted ex-GM&O units.

 

I could fix it. I used to work for the ICG. So it would be nice to have. But, as steam is my true interest, I do not like to fiddle with diesels, much. I do, and I will, but sometimes I just can't get up for the game. I buy the occasional diesel, but I want it to be right, right now.  

So, now that many folks are back from York, would any of you that were there please comment on the sample GP30 in the Lionel display.

Found video on the TCA Youtube channel. 

 

https://youtu.be/kq2oSldrQKo?l...3jxO5fY-vQ&t=765

I have previously posted pictures of Southern 2601 a NCTM resident and visiting Norfolk and Western 522.

 

Both have Blomberg trucks.  In Wither's book "Diesels of the Southern Railway" it is stated "While the GP30s rode on Blombergtrucks from retired EMD cab units ...  ."  In same volume there are more than 26 pictures showing Blomberg trucks.

 

The only other road wit Hi-Nose 30swas N&W.  In Timko's book "Norfolk& Western Volume 2: 1964-1973 there are 8 pictures of 30s all with Blomberg trucks.

 

Checking some of my diesel references it appears only GM&O, MILW, and SOO had 30s with Alco trucks.  Those were all built from Alco trade-ins and all Standard Low-Nose.

 

Sure HOPE Lionel did not screw this up!!!  It will kill my purchases.

 

Ron

No Southern or N&W GP30 rode on ALCO trucks that I am aware of. Several Southern GP35s did, using traded in RS3s. 

 

Since the GP30 and GP35 share roughly the same frame, could Lionel have used the frame from an already produced unit that happened to have ALCO trucks? They only real change externally on these are the high hoods from previous GP30s.

 

At some point they should release painted versions of these pilots before they are shipped and should have the correct Blomberg trucks.

 

Of course, you can always contact Lionel and ask.

Lionel got into a bit of a mini-storm over the incorrect Blomberg ICG (therefore former

GM&O) trucks. Actually lost sales (mine; some others).

 

Ironically, the only Lionel GP30 that I have on order is the SOU high-nose. 

So far.

 

Mentioned above, the GM&O GP35's and GP30's rode on AAR ("ALCo") trucks from traded-in FA1/FB1/FB2 locos. 

Did they get the roof correct?

The "brow" above the cab is set back further on the high hood models.

You can't just raise the short hood to be accurate.

Why not? That's all EMD did to add the high short hood. I suggest that you look at photos of the real N&W and Southern GP30 units.

 Brow lines up with edge of cab.

Brow set back from edge of cab.

I guess EMD should be told about this.

 

Look carefully at the pictures.

 

 HO manufacturer got it right.

 

N gauge guy spent a lot of time modify SOU 2597 to get it right.

http://ambersub.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html

 

Just thought I'd ask the question in O gauge. 

 

The "point" of the brow is still at the forward edge of the cab/windshield. Your photos, at different angles are misleading. If the "brow", as you call it, had been "set back", then it would be pretty difficult to stand up inside the cab. 

 

I delivered all the N&W high short hood GP30 units, beginning in June of 1962, thus I'm fairly familiar with the real ones.

Have they always been called "High Short Hood".

High Nose was what I always heard. 

Was it ever called a Nose?  I know the SD40-2 had the Snoot nose.

The Lionel catalog states that the model's trucks will be "as per prototype" and shows the Southern unit with the appropriate trucks. I sure hope they mean what they say because I've got two on pre-order!

 

Joe

 

 

 

I give up, you win.

A good time to re post these.

 

ron

 

 

Here are two pixs of the unit pick up two Saturdays ago.  They have correct trucks etc.

 

Also test the N&W 522 version.  The couplers were firing backwards so waiting for repair before pick up.

 

 

 

Ron