Lionel's PS-1 Box Car... What's Missing?

Seaboard Air Line 6-17290.

oops!  That's one they did make

How about the PS-1 50 footers?

Lionel has made three Southern PS-1 models (1 regular production, 2 TCA specials) and a Wabash car (special production). 

CGW and M&StL

Lionel could make a SOO LINE PS-1 40' Boxcar if there was a series of 40' boxcar in their roster that nearly matches the PS-1 boxcar. All the Soo Line 40' Boxcars were built in their shops from parts they bought.

Andrew

Falcon Service

It would be best to edit out all the different schemes from Railroads already and put them in a seperate post.

Then organize the remaining railroads by regions.

Andrew

C&O box car red scheme with simplified futura lettering introduced in the 1960s.

PENN CENTRAL

RailModel Journal PS-1 box car guide

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1993-page-24

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1993-page-25

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1993-page-26

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1993-page-29

From RailModel Journal is a PS-1 40' Box car guide.

It starts with Lake Superior & Ishpeming

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1994-page-42

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1994-page-43

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...ovember-1994-page-44

Andrew

RailModel Journal March 1993

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...58/march-1993-page-4

This is a production roster with all the railroads  

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...4/march-1993-page-10

PS-1 40' Boxcars article from the May 1993 issue of RailModel Journal

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...636/may-1993-page-22

http://www.trainlife.com/magaz...643/may-1993-page-29

There are several variations for many railroads. A few are flashy.

Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic has a great scheme.

Andrew

Lionel already offered BOSTON & MAINE about 10 years ago.

Yes on Minneapolis, Northfield & Southern.

Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range, Elgin, Joliet & Eastern and Pere Marquette had different 40' Box Cars.

Lake Superior & Ispeming has not been done.

There were many variations on Chicago & North Western, so they could make a new graphic scheme on C&NW every year for many years.

Andrew

As the rosters' posted show, quite a few of those RRs originally suggested didn't own 40' PS-1s.  Pretty sure the NYO&W NEVER owned a steel box car.

I WOULD like a Buffalo Creek "flour" one and either a L&NE or Susquehanna (in the proper b.c. red scheme -- the green Susie-Q would be a foobie) , though.

Brian

The current issue of the SOO from the Soo Line Historical Society has a list of many the 40' box cars of the SOO LINE. One of the groups of those cars might be a match for the PS-1 40' Boxcar style that Lionel produces.

Andrew

According to the roster posted, the Soo had 2 orders (one in '59 and one in '61) for a grand total of 40 cars.  Because the PS-1s were proprietary Pullman designs, they'd be a stand in for anything non-Pullman.  

Brian

L&N?

If they were going to do Boston & Maine and Missouri Pacific as roadnames again, the people at Lionel will have to make the first version and first road numbers for those railroads.

Green Bay and Western had several paint schemes for their 40' boxcars while in service and Lionel has not made a GBW diesel loco or caboose either. What would be great for GBW admirers to get is a train set with 3 paint scheme variations on three PS-1 40' Boxcars in a train set that also includes a PS-2 2-bay hoppers and a PS-5 gondola.

Andrew

SP Overnight Silver and Black,even though the Friendly had NO PS-1

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I love the Lionel PS-1 boxcars and look forward to years of new offerings.  But I do have two suggestions.  First, I really want to see more colorful schemes.  The last two catalogs have featured a parade of brown boxcars with white lettering (by my count, 7 out of 9 even if you include the Graves car).  These cars were wonderful canvases, and I wish Lionel would make more of that.  (And, hey, color sells!)

Second, given the enormous popularity of this line, let's get the demonstrator car.  As originally posted by Falconservice, here's a suggestion of what it apparently looked like:

Chris Dunn

I repainted a PS-1 and made one with decals -

When I find a good price on another PS-1, I'm making another car no one has made in O yet.

Microscale has O scale sets in stock!

Green 40' MEC

I just missed a bunch of PS-1's for under 35ea.

I would vote for another brown SAL boxcar like the one in the TCA 50th anniversary sets, but a regular production car. BTW, if anyone has one of these for sale, let me know.

Speaking of PS-1s, has anyone noticed the shipping dates even for the ones listed in the Vol. 1 2012 catalog have a June 12 shipping date? The KCS car from 2010 is even listed as Aug 12. Looks like Lionel got the factory to run all the issued PS-1 cars at the same time for shipment. Should see a glut of them pretty soon in the stores.

Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic is a must do PS-1 boxcar that Lionel has to have in this new catalog.

Andrew

Still waiting on the oft-delayed BAR red, white, and blue car.

And would love to see a silver Western Pacific with blue feather and a PS-1 demonstrator.

Buffalo Creek had 1000 PS-1 40' Boxcars, so they have to be included.

Pittsburgh & West Virginia had both PS-1 40' Boxcars and PS-5 Gondolas. That could be the start of a P&WV train set.

Andrew

Looking carefully at the roster it looks like there are only 40 confirmed SOO LINE PS-1 40' Boxcars

SOO LINE PS-1 40’ Box car

SOO LINE 137750-137798 25 box cars built in 1959 with 8’ Youngstown Doors Even

Numbered

These have to have the brown body.

SOO LINE 137800-137828 15 boxcars built in 1961 with 8’ Youngstown Doors Even Numbered

The 1961 boxcars are most likely the ones with the very light gray body and red door.

Then there are the repaints of some of the Soo Line PS-1 40' boxcars in the 1960's and 1970's.

Most of these boxcars had to last until at least 1999-2001, and might be used in maintenance of way service somewhere.

Now someone at Lionel has to ask the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society archive keepers for images.

Andrew

Here are some photos of the Soo Line PS-1 40' Box Cars with 8' Youngstown Doors after rusting and being transferred to the WC.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/view2share/4769064136/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/v...4130/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/v...4122/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/v...4118/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/v...0672/in/photostream/

Notice the DF on the door.

Andrew

Accurail HO Scale model of Soo Line PS-1 40' boxcar that Lionel can make next, but the ends were painted black during the 1960's.

Andrew

I've been doing a lot of research the last several days on Seaboard Air Line PS-1 40' boxcars and the thing I find in need of is some 8-foot, 7-panel Superior doors.  6-foot, 7-panel doors are in abundance, as is 8-foot, 6-panel doors, but none of the 8/7 types.

Seaboard had so many different paint/lettering schemes it's impossible to find an accurate O-scale PS-1 anywhere.  Of the 4 SAL cars I own none of them have the correct combination of doors/paint/lettering.  The Lionel PS-1 is the closest, but it needs the 8/7 Superior doors to match the paint of the prototype they tried to copy.

I'm presently making 8/7 doors and tracking down decals in a effort to correct the 4 cars I have.

I actually have 2 photos of a SAL PS-1 boxcar that clearly shows they swapped doors (from an 8/7 to a 8/6, which would make the Lionel car correct), BUT both photos were taken in the mid-late 1980s (I know because I took the photo of the car with the 8/6 door in 1989 in Petersburg Va), well after the SAL-ACL merger into SCL.

More PS-1’s

Have they made any N&W with any of these steam era paint schemes yet? I'd like to get some.

Have they made any N&W with any of these steam era paint schemes yet? I'd like to get some

Christopher,

Weaver did this scheme a number of years ago on a small 40' box car

Seaboard Air Line had several door size and type combinations depending on when the box cars were built. Lionel can offer a few more varieties in SAL 40' boxcars

Andrew

Here is one.  As far as I am concerned, the only thing missing from these fine cars was the bolster and centr sill around the truck mount area.

If Lionel made a Norfolk & Western PS-1 40' Boxcar, it never made it to the product locator on their website.

How about a 3-Pack of N&W 1950's era PS-1 40' Boxcars?

Andrew

Wabash PS-1 40' Boxcars were 7600-7609 built in 1959 with 8' doors.

Only 10 built.

What did they look like?

Was the body color blue or brown?

Andrew

There is Green Bay & Western 45 which is a PS-1 40' Boxcar.

A series of Green Bay and Western PS-1 boxcar with 7 Panel - 6' wide doors. Note there were 4 color schemes over the years.

http://www.greenbayroute.com/8781971.htm

GBW 700 to 899 were Pullman Standard PS-1 boxcars delivered in boxcar red with black ends in 1951. Some were repainted in solid boxcar red after the original Scotchlite lettering started to peel off. Around 1959 GBW/KGB started repainting cars in a bright caboose red. The HOME OF THE PACKERS logo was added in the early 1960s. Yellow replaced the bright red sometime around 1963-64 as the cars were shopped.

Andrew

Thanks Neal. I thought Weaver would have. I think that must have been quite some time ago before I had an interest in the N&W. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled.