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Models of Existant Steam Engines

N NEPAOGR Forum Member

I asked this question the other day in the topic of "Was steam dead by 1956?" which was an error in judgement on my part as it was off-topic, but the subject of "Was steam dead by 1956?" made me wonder what existing engines, either operational or on static display, are represented by our models? After all, it's nice to be able to run a model of the NKP #725 knowing the prototype is really out there. I suspect this line of reasoning likely influenced many to purchase the UP Big Boy #4014 knowing the 1:1 version would soon be plying the high iron. For those who tend to the more "scale" aspects of modeling what better reason than to run the Pere Marquette #1225, in excursion or freight photo run-bys, along with your ES44's or SD70's.

 

As such I would appreciate your input on the real prototypes, preserved in static display or operational,  which are modeled. Any manufacturer is good.   For example, these are some that come to mind:

 

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765       operational

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225       operational

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014          operational (soon!!)

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012          static display

- Lionel N&W #1218                 operational

- Lionel N&W #611                   operational

 

any help with this would be appreciated.....I'm listing some Lionel simply because I'm not familiar with all of the MTH product line and specialty manufacturers like Kohs are out of my league but anyone who makes a model of an existing prototype is valid. Any help is appreciated..thanks!!  

 

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RT Rusty TraqueOGR Forum Member

Back in the early days MTH offered all of the surviving Santa Fe 2900 class Northerns (5 or 6, I don't recall at the moment).

 

A couple more off the top of my very flat head:

 

3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 5629 Colo. Railroad museum

3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 3007 IRM

3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 4963 IRM, 4960(GCRy,although 4960 is extensively modified today.)

 

Rusty

HJ Hudson J1eOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBERMEMORIAL SUPPORTER

Also just off the top of my head:

I know for a fact that Weaver produced a model of the Milwaukee Road 4-8-4 #261.

 

Lionel did a model for the Pennsy Atlantic #460 that carried the films of Charles Lindbergh.

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe that both Lionel and MTH produced models of the only remaining NYC Mohawk #3001.

 

Again not 100% sure but I believe that both Lionel and MTH produced models of the Reading Class T1 4-8-4. There are four of these engines that still exist today numbers 2100, 2101, 2102, 2124. I'm not sure if all were produced in O gauge but I think at least two of them were.

 

MTH, I believe more than once, produced C&O Greenbriar #614. 

 

Lionel, MTH, and Sunset 3rd Rail all have produced the Pennsy K4 #1361.

 

Both Lionel and MTH produced the UP CHallenger #3985 and UP 4-8-4 #844.

 

 

 

 

 

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N NEPAOGR Forum Member

This is what I compiled so far from your input. Please revise as necessary and keep adding as you think of them. I'm already seeing some that I would like to add to my roster...... 

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

N NEPAOGR Forum Member

A few more updates.....nice......have to start following the Bay for some of these....

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

N NEPAOGR Forum Member

Latest additions....keep them coming.....

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

-  MTH DM&IR Yellowstone 2-8-8-4

- MTH/Lionel/3rd Rail/K-line SP 4449 Daylight, SP 4294 AC-12, GS-6

N NEPAOGR Forum Member

Added new entries including Lionel along with Weaver on the MLW #261

 

Does anybody have any details on the Western Maryland Scenic....didn't they also get a B&O Y3 from the B&O Museum, what about New Hope and Ivyland.....anyone make models of these?

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Lionel/Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

- MTH DM&IR Yellowstone 2-8-8-4

- MTH/Lionel/3rd Rail/K-line SP 4449 Daylight, SP 4294 AC-12, GS-6

- MTH/3rd Rail GN 4-6-4 #2584

TH Ted HikelOGR Forum Member

NEPA

 

You have started what will be a very long list!

 

Here are a couple from the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.

 

 

 

 

 

The MTH guys have spent plenty of quality time at the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum too.

 

 

 

For more info on models of surviving ATSF and CP Hudsons, CN Mountains and AMC Berks see the O Scale Locomotive Guide.

 

https://ogrforum.com/t...ale-locomotive-guide

C challenger3980OGR Forum Member

Hudson J1e wrote:

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe that both Lionel and MTH produced models of the only remaining NYC Mohawk #3001.

 

 

Fortunately, the 3001 is NOT an only child, she has a Sister Mohawk, #2399 in St. Louis, these pics were taken of her during Cosmetic restoration in 2008. I have not been back, so I don't know what the current status is, but Hopefully finished.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doug

Mike CTMike CTOGR Forum Member

Railroad Museum of PA,  Strasburg, PA. Existing roster. Click on the underlined phrase to link.  There are 42 museum pieces both steam and diesel.  

Models that I have in my collection. Please note that the cab numbers may not be identical.

(1.) E6s #460 4-4-2 Sunset Third Rail model.

 

(2.) H10s #7688 2-8-0  Weaver

(3.) B6sb #1670 0-6-0  K-line

 

(4.) L1s #520 2-8-2 Weaver

 

(5.) A5s # 94 0-4-0 Weaver

(6.) K4s #3750 4-6-2 Lionel

(7.) G5s #5741 4-6-0 Weaver

(8.) M1b #6755 4-8-2 Weaver

 Weaver also did this very nice model of existing Canadian Pacific 2816

And this Consolidation 2-8-0 model of Grand Canyon #29

From last falls trip to the Canyon.

Gary mentioned Weaver has available models of the Boston and Maine 3713, currently being rebuilt, Steamtown, Scranton, PA.

 

 

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N NEPAOGR Forum Member

Here are some of the new entry's. Thanks!! While pictures are nice, some details are better, like: Mfg, Railroad, Class or Wheel Arrangement, Cab #..........This way I can do a cut and paste......not trying to leave anyone out....had some double entry's along the way which is not a problem, hopefully I didn't list too many things twice.....  

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Lionel/Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

- MTH DM&IR Yellowstone 2-8-8-4

- MTH/Lionel/3rd Rail/K-line SP 4449 Daylight, SP 4294 AC-12, GS-6

- MTH/3rd Rail GN 4-6-4 #2584

- Weaver CPR 2816 4-6-4

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail UP 4-12-2 #9000

- 3rd Rail UP 844, Weaver UP 8444

- Lionel MLW 4-84 #265

- 3rd Rail  DM&IR Yellowstone

- 3rd Rail SP P8/P10

- Weaver BM 4-6-2 Constitution 3713

- Lionel C&O's Yellow Belly 4-6-4 #490

- 3rd Rail PRR E6s #460 4-4-2

- Weaver PRR H10s #7688 2-8-0

- K-Line PRR B6sb #1670 0-6-0  K-line

- Weaver PRR L1s #520 2-8-2

- Weaver PRR A5s # 94 0-4-0

- Lionel PRR K4s #3750 4-6-2

- Weaver PRR G5s #5741 4-6-0

- Weaver PRR M1b #6755 4-8-2 

N NEPAOGR Forum Member

latest updates

 

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Lionel/Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

- MTH DM&IR Yellowstone 2-8-8-4

- MTH/Lionel/3rd Rail/K-line SP 4449 Daylight, SP 4294 AC-12, GS-6

- MTH/3rd Rail GN 4-6-4 #2584

- Weaver CPR 2816 4-6-4

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail UP 4-12-2 #9000

- 3rd Rail UP 844, Weaver UP 8444

- Lionel MLW 4-84 #265

- 3rd Rail  DM&IR Yellowstone

- 3rd Rail SP P8/P10

- Weaver BM 4-6-2 Constitution 3713

- Lionel C&O's Yellow Belly 4-6-4 #490

- 3rd Rail PRR E6s #460 4-4-2

- Weaver PRR H10s #7688 2-8-0

- K-Line PRR B6sb #1670 0-6-0  K-line

- Weaver PRR L1s #520 2-8-2

- Weaver PRR A5s # 94 0-4-0

- Lionel PRR K4s #3750 4-6-2

- Weaver PRR G5s #5741 4-6-0

- Weaver PRR M1b #6755 4-8-2 

- Weaver Grand Canyon #29 2-8-0

- MTH CN U-1-F  4-8-2 6060

- 3rd Rail N&W Y-6a #2156

RetlawRetlawOGR Forum Member

WM Shay #6 has been done by Lionel and Right of Way Industries.  She's still operating at the Cass Scenic Railway in WV.

 

Not sure if this one counts, the MTH/Railking 4-6-0 "Ten wheeler" is based on a Walt Disney Railroad steam engine (which I beleive was "saved" and rebuilt from an engine they found in Mexico or somewhere in Central America).  In fact the 2013 "Great American Circus" version was decorated almost exactly the same as the "Walter E. Disney" at Walt Disney World  - even down to the painting on the headlight housing (obviously with different name on tender and cab).

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G GreggOGR Forum Member

 guess the Canadians are not reading this. How about CN U-1-F 4-8-2 done by MTH. I think its on display now but I have seen it under steam.

  Well yeah Pete! , we saw it. The MTH engine  is  a keeper.   I don't know where it is at the moment.

I know where it  was when I first started with the railway. 1965 . Fenced in on display in front of the Jasper Alberta station . .  "Bullet Nosed Betty"

SL Silver LakeOGR Forum Member

There are very few small prototypes in the list although there are many more small steamers extant.

 

Western Md Shay #6 at Cass these days was modeled by Lionel.

C&O 4-6-0 416 at Baltimore was modeled badly by Lionel and better by WBB.

John Bull at the smithsonian by Lionel

Best Friend of Charleston at NS HQ by Lionel

William Mason at B&O museum by MTH

I forget the CNJ Camelback # at B&O but it has been done by Lionel and MTH

The WARR General......

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N NEPAOGR Forum Member

Latest Inputs. Can't list if you don't provide; Mfg(s), Railroad, Class or Wheel Arrangement, Cab Number. I'm not trying to be difficult but some suggestions are lacking these elements and I wasn't looking to do the research. Some have suggested models scheduled to be released......we can add these later if and when they actually arrive.

 

- Lionel PM Berkshire 1225

- Lionel NKP Berkshire 765        

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4004          

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4005  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4006  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4012

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4014  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4017  

- Lionel UP Big Boy 4018

- Lionel N&W #1218                

- Lionel N&W #611                  

-  MTH SF 2900 class

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-8-4 #5629 Colorado Railroad museum

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 4-6-4 #3007 IRM

- 3rd Rail CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 IRM, #4960 (GCRv although extensively modified)

- Lionel/Weaver MLW  4-8-4 #261

- Lionel PRR #460 Atlantic

- Lionel/MTH NYC Mohawk #3001

- Lionel/ MTH Reading T1

- 3rd Rail/MTH C&O Greenbrier #614

- Lionel/MTH/Sunset Pennsy K4 4-6-2 #1361

- Lionel/MTH UP Challenger 4-6-6-4 #3985

- Lionel/MTH UP FEF3  4-8-4 #844

- MTH Southern Crescent #1401  static at the Smithsonian

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail (?) C&O  Allegheny  1601 and 1604

- MTH DM&IR Yellowstone 2-8-8-4

- MTH/Lionel/3rd Rail/K-line SP 4449 Daylight, SP 4294 AC-12, GS-6

- MTH/3rd Rail GN 4-6-4 #2584

- Weaver CPR 2816 4-6-4

- Lionel/MTH/3rd Rail UP 4-12-2 #9000

- 3rd Rail UP 844, Weaver UP 8444

- Lionel MLW 4-84 #265

- 3rd Rail  DM&IR Yellowstone

- 3rd Rail SP P8/P10

- Weaver BM 4-6-2 Constitution 3713

- Lionel C&O's Yellow Belly 4-6-4 #490

- 3rd Rail/Samhongsa/Williams PRR E6s #460 4-4-2

- Weaver PRR H10s #7688 2-8-0

- K-Line PRR B6sb #1670 0-6-0  K-line

- Weaver PRR L1s #520 2-8-2

- Weaver PRR A5s # 94 0-4-0

- Lionel PRR K4s #3750 4-6-2

- Weaver PRR G5s #5741 4-6-0

- Weaver PRR M1b #6755 4-8-2 

- Weaver Grand Canyon #29 2-8-0

- MTH CN U-1-F  4-8-2 6060

- 3rd Rail N&W Y-6a #2156

- Lionel SF 4-8-4 #3751

- 3rd Rail Strasburg Mollie #475

- Lionel Strasburg 2-6-0 #84

- Williams PRR K4 #3750

- Lionel/Right of Way WM Shay #6

 

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