Other than Lionel Fanboys, how can anyone call this the California Zephyr with a straight face?
Originally Posted by Chugman:
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I believe that these are the people that Lionel is making passenger cars for and most likely will continue as long as they will buy them.
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I don't doubt for a second that for everyone here who dislikes the new CZ cars for one reason or another, Lionel management will ramble off a list of satisfied customers who LOVE them. They may tell us they'll look into future production, but what that means is anyone's guess until we see cars showing up that meet the level of quality they produced 10 years ago. That may all be a thing of the past. So we'll have to wait and see... then purchase accordingly. Thankfully, nobody I pre-order from requires a deposit, 'cause the CZ debacle has set a very poor precedent.
David
Originally Posted by Chugman:
I believe that these are the people that Lionel is making passenger cars for and most likely will continue as long as they will buy them.
Art
Exactly right Art! For those "modelers" that know better, there is always Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot, who provide pretty much CORRECT scale products.
Bottom line. I waited 2 years for nothing!
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Chugman:
I believe that these are the people that Lionel is making passenger cars for and most likely will continue as long as they will buy them.
Art
Exactly right Art! For those "modelers" that know better, there is always Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot, who provide pretty much CORRECT scale products.
Sunset/GGD make some great cars but not everybody has the room or money to run true scale cars. I like to run 15"and 18" cars so as you see I'm not in that market for Sunset/GGD passenger cars.
But I do expect Lionel who does market the 15"/18" cars to at least get them close to be being right. Lionel made a great set of CZ cars with a dome OBS. in the 15" size Some years ago, also a super chief set that looks just as nice.
Originally Posted by david1:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Chugman:
I believe that these are the people that Lionel is making passenger cars for and most likely will continue as long as they will buy them.
Art
Exactly right Art! For those "modelers" that know better, there is always Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot, who provide pretty much CORRECT scale products.
Sunset/GGD make some great cars but not everybody has the room or money to run true scale cars. I like to run 15"and 18" cars so as you see I'm not in that market for Sunset/GGD passenger cars.
But I do expect Lionel who does market the 15"/18" cars to at least get them close to be being right. Lionel made a great set of CZ cars with a dome OBS. in the 15" size Some years ago, also a super chief set that looks just as nice.
Well then, it looks like you, and lots of others, are "stuck" with those CZ cars from Lionel.
Originally Posted by christopher N&W:
Brian,
I understand their loss leader approach was flawed. Your last sentence is speculation, though. This just probably isn't the place to discuss it.
Speculation in that their lenders and vendors were about to pull the rug out from under them. It was all in the bankruptcy paperwork.
Did the bankruptcy paperwork happen to i.d. K-Line's vendor for their 15" and 21" CZ passenger cars?
