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I never paid much attention to Baldwin Sharks.  I viewed the RF-16 as a poor competitor to the F3 (probably correct if you're being a bit harsh about it) and the railroads I model, ATSF, D&RG, and UP - never owned Sharks, so they just weren't important to me.

 

But Nicole's (N.Q.D.Y.) video of her shark-infested Daylight train gave me a serious case of "Shark envy."  It was just stunning, the prettiest train I had seen in ages.   I wanted an SP Shark/Daylight combo badly.  When I posted about difficulties in finding SP Sharks and such, Nicole took the time to e-mail me  some tips on vendors who still had some - that was much appreciated.  

 

I needed 15" rather than 18" cars like she had (shorter looks better on my layout), and ultimately I could not find Legacy SP Sharks at an internet site I knew and trusted, only from folks I didn't know.  So, after a bit of study of the pictures in the Lionel catalog, I decided to find the lowest price Sharks and 15" cars regardless of roadnames and repaint them: Daylight involves four colors, yes, but they are easy-to-find colors, and almost all the masking is straight lines parallel to body creases, etc.   I figured I could save money and get just the train I wanted.  

 

And I definitely saved.  When I went shopping last Wednesday morning, M. B. Klein seemed determined to get rid of all their B&O stuff by the end of the day.  B&O Legacy Sharks were priced below any other roadname and less than any Sharks on any other site I checked, and they had blowout prices on B&O a MTH 15" four-car pack, diner-sleeper, and extra coach, too. the entire seven-car train cost a bit less than the list price of the Sharks alone.  Wow!   I found a Williams dummy B unit at another site so low-cost that I took the chance, hoping its size and color fits.  Maybe now is the true golden age of toy trains - there are real bargains out there!

 

Anyway, all but the B unit arrived yesterday. The Sharks are fantastic (brief comments later, and pictures/video).  The only problem?  It all makes up a really beautiful train!!!!  My wife helped me unpack it and she agrees: its way too pretty to repaint.  Nicole's Daylight is spectacular - the male Cardinal of trains - and just stunning to look at.But I guess she will have her lovely Cardinal and I will have my Bluejay: this Capital Limited/Columbian/Royal Blue is gorgeous in its own, quieter way: great colors in a classic, elegant scheme, with good detail on trim and graphics, etc.  Just a lovely train.  I realize it is probably not prototypical but isn't complete fantasy - B&O did at least have Sharks, unlike SP, although I don't know if they ever pulled passenger service.  I am not really into modeling or running stuff from east of the Mississippi, but B&O is one of the earliest and most important roadnames, and I'm pleased to have this train.  

 

Legacy Sharks!   Just fantastic.  Detail and paint are excellent.  The lighting seems better than average and they run very smoothly and slowly.  The video (last below) shows that they smoke like fiends and sound is among the best diesels I have. 

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I love the details and the recessed door and the lighting in the cabin, which this photo does not show well.  I could not take a picture, but as on the Legacy E9s, the cab door is spring-loaded and opens if you push on it: it is a nice feature, but this one rather stupidly only opens 30 degrees before being stopped by something inside the loco: less than a scale foot of room to squeeze through: one too many porterhouse steaks and my engineer will not be able to squeeze through!

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The seven MTH 15" cars that make up the train are all nicely detailed and color match the locos well.  There are no passengers inside the cars, but they otherwise have interiors that are a good starting place, and the baggage car has opening, flush mounted doors, a nice touch particularly at the price I paid.  I will take them all apart, one by one, install passengers and some details (tableclothes in the diner, etc.) and raise the cars on their trucks about 1/8 inch, too - they seem a bit too low to me.

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And I just love this red running light  . . . 

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Here is a brief video: had to keep in under the 100 Mb limit, so you don't see the train running for long, but I made sure to capture the very nice startup sounds, show the smoke, and give a listen to the bell, horn, and sound the prime movers accelerating the train.  

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Excellent story Lee.  Especially the part where you had your wife buy into the trains as well.  

 

I will pay more attention to the Sharks as well.

 

In another thread, some asked about problems with MTH and Lionel, however, your story shows why we need to be open minded and use all train companies to our advantage on our layouts.

 

Again, way to go.

 

David56

Very interesting story Lee, glad it has such a good beginning. I've never owned a set of sharks either but am finding myself becoming interested s of late. Am thinking that we'll add some someday and will have to decide upon a roadname. Have always liked the handsome green PRRs with the roof antennas as well as the D&H with the beautiful 'Warbonnet ' scheme but your B&O's are quite striking too!

Are the RK 16" cars new to you?  We have several now are am quite impressed with them overall - almost as nice as Premiere cars and look great with the smaller scale diesels. We run our Williams FA's with some and it makes a very nice 'near scale' train.

I've fallen into the 'I'll buy it to repaint it' trap a few times.

I was never a B&O fan per say.....until while doing research on my locomotive engineer great-grandfather's career and found out he worked on the B&O and not the C&O as I'd been told once. Then a set of B&O FA-a units I had to repaint didn't get painted!!! To nice looking anyway.

 

And Sharks!! One set will not be enough now. I started with a tuscan PRR set.....then a SP set.....then a great deal on a NYC ABA set. I love EMD F units....but something about a Shark!

Looks good Lee!!

Originally Posted by Dominic Mazoch:

Sharks look nice.  But:

 

1.  Did B&O have them?  Yes, they did.  Freight haulers....although, as was often the case re original intent vs. actual duty, they may have found their way to the front end of passenger service (probably local).  I don't have any books/photos showing this, but there are some bona fide Beano mavens/historians in our midst....maybe they can enlighten us.

2.  I thought only the PRR had Passenger sharks?  The BP's?...you might be right.  The Beano didn't have any of the 6-axle sharks.

 

Nice train, Lee!

 

KD

Oh wow, Mr. Lee!

 

As much as I LOVE the Daylight paint scheme and anything SP Daylight, that B&O paint scheme is indeed VERY pretty!

 

I'm glad that you were able to acquire such a beautiful consist at a bargain price! I don't think I could've repainted that, myself. And that's not only because it's so sharp looking, but also because I know that I'd mess up the paint job

 

Again, super cool!

I have one lonely cast aluminum Shark.  Was going to share it with you, but Photobucket chose today to rearrange my albums.

 

I am a true SP nut, complete with Daylight equipment.  But I love the Baltimore and Ohio colors, and have a set of K-Lines with Diesels in that scheme, and a set in Great Northern Empire Builder - all truly great color combinations.

 

So: I hear a lot about the windshield angle on those Williams brass Sharks, but those D&H windshields look pretty darn vertical from here.  Is it possible Williams got it right? Is it time for a photo comparison?

Nice thread Lee. You may recall my post about models that were not prototypical. It had to do with my encounter of the first kind with the Daylight Sharks. SP never used them on the Daylight but they look gorgeous. I have a set of 8 K-Line 18" Heavyweights in Daylight that I wanted to hook the shark A-B-A combo (should I say lash-up?) to. But, alas, I am dubious. Now, you have stirred the debate in me again. I LOVE this hobby.

Very nice consist!  I have always been a fan of the sharks.  I have the B&O Weaver units made years ago and they run just a smooth as butter!  I also was lucky enough to find the scale length Williams aluminum cars that were produced back in the early 90's.  They are 21" cars and are painted beautifully...AND...match the sharks perfectly.

 

Alan

Originally Posted by David56:

Excellent story Lee.  Especially the part where you had your wife buy into the trains as well.  

 

David56

Lee,

I must agree with David56 on this one. Some of us learned this lesson early on. I have to admit that I would be lost without my wife. After forty-nine years together, all of which included toy trains.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

bob2,

Rather than 3 x 5 cards you might consider a database--Excel or Access.  Easy to use, saves a lot of time, and won't cost you a fortune in index cards.  Once you have input your inventory you can easily sort by road name, type of engine or car, by cost, or whatever way you wish to sort.  (There's a thread somewhere which discusses the ways which guys (and women) keep track--pun intended-- of what they have.)

Mark

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

The Story  (pics and video after)

I never paid much attention to Baldwin Sharks.  I viewed the RF-16 as a poor competitor to the F3 (probably correct if you're being a bit harsh about it) and the railroads I model, ATSF, D&RG, and UP - never owned Sharks, so they just weren't important to me.

 

But Nicole's (N.Q.D.Y.) video of her shark-infested Daylight train gave me a serious case of "Shark envy."  It was just stunning, the prettiest train I had seen in ages.   I wanted an SP Shark/Daylight combo badly.  When I posted about difficulties in finding SP Sharks and such, Nicole took the time to e-mail me  some tips on vendors who still had some - that was much appreciated.  

 

I needed 15" rather than 18" cars like she had (shorter looks better on my layout), and ultimately I could not find Legacy SP Sharks at an internet site I knew and trusted, only from folks I didn't know.  So, after a bit of study of the pictures in the Lionel catalog, I decided to find the lowest price Sharks and 15" cars regardless of roadnames and repaint them: Daylight involves four colors, yes, but they are easy-to-find colors, and almost all the masking is straight lines parallel to body creases, etc.   I figured I could save money and get just the train I wanted.  

 

And I definitely saved.  When I went shopping last Wednesday morning, M. B. Klein seemed determined to get rid of all their B&O stuff by the end of the day.  B&O Legacy Sharks were priced below any other roadname and less than any Sharks on any other site I checked, and they had blowout prices on B&O a MTH 15" four-car pack, diner-sleeper, and extra coach, too. the entire seven-car train cost a bit less than the list price of the Sharks alone.  Wow!   I found a Williams dummy B unit at another site so low-cost that I took the chance, hoping its size and color fits.  Maybe now is the true golden age of toy trains - there are real bargains out there!

 

Anyway, all but the B unit arrived yesterday. The Sharks are fantastic (brief comments later, and pictures/video).  The only problem?  It all makes up a really beautiful train!!!!  My wife helped me unpack it and she agrees: its way too pretty to repaint.  Nicole's Daylight is spectacular - the male Cardinal of trains - and just stunning to look at.But I guess she will have her lovely Cardinal and I will have my Bluejay: this Capital Limited/Columbian/Royal Blue is gorgeous in its own, quieter way: great colors in a classic, elegant scheme, with good detail on trim and graphics, etc.  Just a lovely train.  I realize it is probably not prototypical but isn't complete fantasy - B&O did at least have Sharks, unlike SP, although I don't know if they ever pulled passenger service.  I am not really into modeling or running stuff from east of the Mississippi, but B&O is one of the earliest and most important roadnames, and I'm pleased to have this train.  

 

Legacy Sharks!   Just fantastic.  Detail and paint are excellent.  The lighting seems better than average and they run very smoothly and slowly.  The video (last below) shows that they smoke like fiends and sound is among the best diesels I have. 

Slide5

 

I love the details and the recessed door and the lighting in the cabin, which this photo does not show well.  I could not take a picture, but as on the Legacy E9s, the cab door is spring-loaded and opens if you push on it: it is a nice feature, but this one rather stupidly only opens 30 degrees before being stopped by something inside the loco: less than a scale foot of room to squeeze through: one too many porterhouse steaks and my engineer will not be able to squeeze through!

Slide6

 

The seven MTH 15" cars that make up the train are all nicely detailed and color match the locos well.  There are no passengers inside the cars, but they otherwise have interiors that are a good starting place, and the baggage car has opening, flush mounted doors, a nice touch particularly at the price I paid.  I will take them all apart, one by one, install passengers and some details (tableclothes in the diner, etc.) and raise the cars on their trucks about 1/8 inch, too - they seem a bit too low to me.

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And I just love this red running light  . . . 

Slide10

 

Here is a brief video: had to keep in under the 100 Mb limit, so you don't see the train running for long, but I made sure to capture the very nice startup sounds, show the smoke, and give a listen to the bell, horn, and sound the prime movers accelerating the train.  

Did the B&O have passenger cars painted with blue just on the top?  I though they all were two tone blue?

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