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The O Scale Freight Car Guide continues with an overview of 50 and 55 ton 2 bay open hopper cars.  Tens of thousands of these cars were built in the first half of the 20th century and many lasted well into the diesel era and were pulled by all sorts of locomotives from 0-6-0s to mallets to modern six axle road switchers.  Since the prototypes were generally 30 to 36 feet long these O scale models are appealing to operators with traditional O gauge layouts as well as those of us with O-72+ three rail scale model railroads.

 

All of the cars shown here were designed with enough volume to allow loading them with coal to maximum weight capacity.  They were used to haul anthracite for home heating, steam coal for power plants and factories and metallurgical coal for steel making.  While coal was the primary product carried in these hoppers they were used for other products if a back haul was available.  If a higher density material like rock or iron ore was carried the cars could not be loaded to full volume.  Some railroads used 2 bay hoppers to haul coal from eastern mines to the great lakes.  After unloading, the coal the hoppers could then be loaded to maximum weight (but only partially full by volume) with iron ore for shipment to inland steel mills.  At ports like Duluth, lake boats would unload eastern coal for rail shipment to western markets before taking on their next load of iron ore.

 

Lets take a look at the O scale models of two bay open hoppers that have been produced in recent years and can be found on the market today.  We will group them by type of construction, begin with the oldest design and moving to the later style cars.

 

Rib Side Two Bay Hoppers

 

Many modelers are familiar with the single and double sheathed wood side box cars produced during World War I for the United States Railway Administration.  The USRA also adopted a standardized all steel 55 ton hopper design that was produced in great numbers.  It featured flat side sheets and seven external ribs.  The design remained popular with railroads and car builders well into the 1920s.  Our O scale train manufacturers have created several models based on the USRA hopper and a later rib side cars.

 

Atlas introduced their model of the USRA hopper in 2004. It is based on the tooling used by Intermountain and has been improved with a diecast frame and metal detail parts.  It features operating hopper doors.

 

 

Several railroads rebuilt their USRA hoppers in the 1930s and used distinctive side panels to increase volume. Atlas began offering their panel side hopper in 2008.

 

 

The K-Line 6253 and 6254 hoppers feature a diecast body with 7 ribs and spring loaded operating hopper doors with flat or peaked ends.

 

 

Weaver makes a hopper featuring 9 side ribs.

 

 

 

 

Offset Side Hoppers

 

Hoppers with offset sides have internal vertical ribs.  By offsetting the side sheets to the outside the internal volume is increased over that of an outside ribbed car of equal overall length and width.

 

The K-Line 6251 offset side hopper features flat ends and the 6252 has peaked ends.  They feature diecast bodies and operating hopper doors.

 

 

The Lionel offset side hopper has a diecast body and underframe and operating hopper doors.  Flat end versions are most common although peaked and notched end versions of this hopper have also been produced.

 

 

MTH introduced their offset side 2 bay hopper in the 1999 Volume 2 catalog.  It has since received improved trucks, couplers and details.

 

 

Weaver offers their two bay offset side hopper in an undecorated version as well as several road names with optional factory weathering.

 

 

 

Fish Belly Hoppers

 

Fish belly hoppers have side sills that become deeper in the middle of the car and were introduced in the 1930s.

 

Atlas began offering their diecast model of the fishbelly style hopper in 2001 with flat or peaked ends.

 

 

MTH introduced their fish belly hopper model in their 2007 Volume 1 catalog.

 

Composite Hoppers

 

All steel construction became the norm for hopper cars in the early 20th century.  Even when many railroads were still ordering wooden box cars all steel hoppers were the norm due to the rugged service conditions experienced by hoppers.  However, composite hoppers with wood sides were constructed during WW II to save steel.  Some of these cars were rebuilt with steel sides after the war.  Several models are available to depict original composite cars or post war rebuilds.

 

Atlas introduced their composite hopper in 2003.

 

 

Atlas followed up later that year with a model of a rebuilt car.  Both feature operating hopper doors.

 

 

The K-Line 6255 was available in both wood...

 

 

 

 

and rebuilt versions.

 

 

 

 

MTH first offered their composite hopper model in the 2004 Volume 2 catalog.

 

 

 

 

Weaver's composite hopper model rounds out this installment of the O Scale Freight Car Guide.

 

 

 

 

 

As always, corrections or additions are most welcome as are photos of your favorite 2 bay hoppers.  Stay tuned for further installments including a look at 3 and 4 bay 70 and 100 ton open hoppers.

 

For information on other types of freight cars see the O Scale Freight Car Guide thread here.

 

https://ogrforum.com/t...le-freight-car-guide

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks again for doing this Ted

 

From all I've read, Seaboard Air Line didn't have any coal mines on their routes, their coal traffic came from connections with other RRs.

 

Here's a CRR hopper that I wanted but couldn't find a model of:

 

 

Is this a 50-55 ton hopper, or a 70-ton?  Notice the notch at the top of the end.

 

I did pick up a nice MTH 50-ton composite hopper (like pictured above) a while back lettered for C&O, who had connections with SAL.  The car came with Kadee coupler pads and very nice end detail.  This is the only open hopper I have so far and I use it to deliver coal to industries around my layout and for delivering coal to my small yard.

Thanks Bob B.  I didn't even notice the barcode tag.

 

That CRR hopper is an offset side type, but the round-notched end is something I don't recall seeing in an O scale model.

 

Who was the biggest coal hauler back in the 50s-60s, N&W or PRR?  N&W had/has an interchange track with Seaboard in Suffolk Va. and I'm sure they got coal from them (need to get a N&W hopper too).

It is always nice to see everyone's posts and know that each installment of the O Scale Freight Car Guide being read and enjoyed.  My hope is that they also provide a helpful source of reference data when trying to find appropriate scale freight cars for our model railroads.  There are so many models out there that no one could keep track without reference sources.

 

Bob

 

Thanks for your comments about coal traffic on the SAL.  Like back hauling coal on Great Lakes steam boats, that is part of the story of coal, the most important source of energy in the early 20th century.  Coal traffic went in every direction from from the Appalachian coal region.

 

You have a search ahead of you if you are interested in Clinchfield offset side 2 bay hoppers like this.

 

 

MTH produced the 20-97573 in two numbers.   Three dealers still show it in stock on the MTH product locator.

 

 

MTH also made the offset side Clinchfield hopper in two differently numbered six car sets.  They were cataloged as the 20-90251 and 20-90252.  Those will be harder to find.  If you located them it would provide 14 uniquely numbered cars.  MTH has done many six cars sets, especially with hoppers.  If anyone has a favorite road name and wants to put together a good sized coal train searching the MTH product locator may give satisfying results. 

 

 

 

 

 

A couple of years ago I bought a beautiful produced Murray 'K-Line' "Reading" two bay, o.t. black die-cast hopper with coal load, which has one each, red rectangle on the right side, of its sides.

I'm sorry, it's buried away, so I can not give the particulars of it.

Though, it is a work of art and resembles the prototype, in a photo., for whatever reason the 'A' & 'B' ends have NO road numbers and NO reporting marks initials affixed to both of the ends.

Please, I would appreciate an answer of the missing end marks.

I had to jury rig the markings, to complete the model.

Thank you,

Ralph 

Ted,

I looked up on my freight car list and it is the same as the third one down, that you posted.

K-Line Item #6253-1931, Road #80321, Class 'HTo.,' with flat top edge ends.

Every marking, as per the prototype, in a B.&W. photo., except the markings on the 'A' & 'B' ends.

Here, is a color photo. of the same car, with road #80320 and NO markings on its 'B' end and No 'Poling-Pockets.'

Click onto the car in the lower left corner, to enlarge the photo.

http://choochoochaboogie.com/CCCBITEM122011.htm

 

Now, click onto this Reading RR. Shamokin Shop link and click onto "NEXT" twice and you will see a large B.&W. photo. of the 'HTo' car.

The 'HTo' car did, or did not have 'Poling-Pockets,' as 'P.-P.' were the norm of the day and  in the photo. the 'HTo' car does NOT have the 'RED' logo.

Which, maybe a possibility that K-Line's 'HTo' version could be a 'Fantasy,' or maybe our 'HTo' car had the 'RED' logo, due to its' road #80320 and 'Built Date' of 5-41, as opposed to the B.&W. photo. of the prototype 'HTo's' road #80000 and 'Built Date' 3-41? 

Therefore, maybe I stand corrected, of my aforementioned words in this post. 

http://www.shamokindivision.co...ght-cars/reading-ope

Ralph

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Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:
The Lionel offset side hopper has a diecast body and underframe and operating hopper doors.

 

 

 

Ted,

 

If I remember correctly, these Lionel cars were designed and tooled with four different styles of ends: straight/flat, rounded, peaked and peaked with a notch.

 

All styles were produced starting in the early 2000's, but certain ones only came in sets.

 

Regards,

Todd

Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:

Todd

 

Thank you for the information on details that I had missed.

 

I have found the offset side 2 bay hoppers with "all-new notched-style ends" from 2005 vol. 2.

 

And I have found "all-new peaked-style ends"  from 2006 vol. 1.

 

Did rounded ends make it into production?

 

Ted,

 

I had to do a bit of digging via Google to confirm what I thought I remembered. (I hate to say it, but many of the details from over a decade ago are getting more than a bit fuzzy.)

 

In 2003, Lionel produced a 6-31726 set of hoppers (plus a porthole caboose) for the Century Club II Pennsylvania Shark locomotives.

 

These were the five hoppers in the set:

 

6-17032 New York Central (straight/flat ends)

6-17033 Nickel Plate Road (curved ends)

6-17034 Reading (straight/flat ends)

6-17035 Delaware & Hudson (straight/flat ends)

6-17036 Chesapeake & Ohio (peaked ends)

 

Even via Google, good photos of the set are difficult to find, but here's what I was able to locate.

 

Showing the rounded ends of the 6-17033 NKP:

 Lionel 31726

 

Showing the peaked ends of the 6-17036 C&O:

lionel 31726a

 

So contrary to what the catalog blurb mentioned in 2006, the peaked ends actually debuted in 2003.

 

I think the premier of the notched-end car in 2005 is correct (I spec'd the car, but wasn't around to see it in production), although I'm fairly certain we tooled it as the same time as the others.

 

And from what I can tell (admittedly I've not followed many of the details on things since I left), I believe that Nickel Plate hopper from the Century Club set remains unique.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Regards,

Todd

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Todd

 

Thank you so much for the excellent information.  One of the reasons that I have enjoyed researching contemporary O scale models is that it lies at the intersection of the assemblage of traditional TCA type collecting knowledge and prototype modeling.

 

So now we have a rare variation of an O scale hopper model to look for! 

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9620132797327976CHESAPEAKE & OHIO47390NOTCHED 
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9920132797727980GREAT NORTHERN73539FLAT 

 

Here is a list of Lionel 2-Bay Offset Hoppers.

Feel free to make any corrections.

Benny

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