Servicing (Later Upgrading) K-Line Allegheny (&BB)

I suspect that the addition of the ERR CC-M and also some maintenance, greasing and oiling is top of the list.

I use Red-n-Tacky and 5-20W motor oil for my lubricating tasks, others will have different suggestions.

Once you have done the basic maintenance, you'll be amazed at the difference with the CC-M.

Why would CCM make an amazing difference?  My K-Line cruise runs fine? 

Sinc, What mode are you using with Legacy?  With TMCC mine runs great with K-Line Cruise.   G

What makes you think it has the K-Line cruise?

What make you think it doesn't? 

But that should be know.  Not sure why it would not respond and move properly in command with a DCDR, unless he has major mechanical issues.  G

It does not have K-Line cruse, hence my desire for ERR cruse.  And it's not that it doesn't move, I can hear the motors trying, it acts like the motors just don't have the torque to move the locomotive at low speed settings.  As for the mode, should be TMCC as I used the Generic TMCC Steam module that came with the Legacy command set when I added it to the remote.

In all honesty, I was going to ask to send it to you John and let you do it all, but then I realized that I'd never learn anything that way, so now it's in several pieces on my bathroom counter (It's ridiculously large for no reason, so it makes a great place to put things I'm working on until I have a better place to work on things at.) while I take my time cleaning and lubing it up and seeing how it's all wired so I can be ready to start making the upgrades.

This is standard behavior for the plain TMCC driver.  You can set the TMCC stall setting to get it moving a bit quicker, but you won't have decent low speed control without the cruise.

I have one of the Allegheny engines and I did add the ERR cruise to it about a year ago.  What a difference!!!  I love the whistle on this one.  I run it with 35 Lionel hoppers (mostly LV) and it looks great.

Rolland

I can't speak to the Legacy, but I would say that is not standard behavior for a DCDR Driver.  Not sure if the Steam module effects the speed steps/mode.

But the engine without cruise should move as the steps progress and it tends to be faster then a cruise engine.

I assume you have other TMCC engines without cruise so you can compare it.  They would respond the same.

Maybe one of the motors is bad.  The DCDR are pretty robust.   G

The only other TMCC steamer I have without cruse is the K-Line Big Boy, and it runs mostly the same.  It will start at a slightly slower speed step, but it lurches until a higher speed step.  I have a K-Line GG1 with TMCC no cruse that has much better slow speed and starts at speed step 4 or 5.  If a motor is bad, would it even run at all?  And the amps on the ZW-C meter is never high, haven't seen it over 2 with the locomotive, lighted caboose, and a couple cars on the track.

I've taken the front engine off of the locomotive and made a closer inspection last night.  Here is a photo of it.

As you can see, there was lots of grease in it, but looking at the gear on the forward direction side there is a groove from the motor worm gear.  It is very slight, but still noticeable.  Should I pack it with more grease, or clean it out and fill it all up with all new grease?  And how did this happen?  Is there a way I can prevent this for getting worse?  I still need to see the condition of the worm gear, which is steel.  The rear engine has the same wear in the gear as the front.

Other than grease and making sure the axles and rods are oiled and free, that's pretty much it.  The brass gears do show signs of wear from the steel worm after significant run time, nature of the beast.

Gear looks fine and no need to over grease.  I guess I don't understand your description.  "Slow to move than takes off".

That is why I asked what mode is being used with the Legacy.

Do you have a TMCC CAB-1 setup to test it with?

The K-line set up is just like any Lionel TMCC DCDR set up.  They run just like a conventional engine just less jack rabbit starts and smoother speed control.  They can crawl also, but not the same speed increment as a Cruise board.

Maybe a LHS has a TMCC engine you can see run.  G

Your description makes it sound like it is not running normal, but maybe it is.

I'll try to get it back together and take a video.  I do have a Cab-1 and TMCC base setup and it did the same thing, took a lot of turning the red knob to get it going.

As for LHS, only one is latest and greatest MTH only, so no go there.

Is the antenna grounded?  Something is wrong.  Best to figure out what it is before upgrading to CCM.  If it is the driver board the CCM is the solution.

Did you reset the R2LC with Code #4?   G