LIONEL ANNOUNCES THE NEXT VISIONLINE LOCOMOTIVE...THE GG-1..!!!

Hmmmm... Assuming the TCA Museum is still the location for the usual vendor product updates the day before York, why would Lionel hold a special meeting down the road at the Railroad Museum of PENNSYLVANIA... unless they're unveiling a Vision Line product with a Pennsy roadname perhaps?  

 

Interesting possibilities.  Let the speculation begin.  

 

I haven't been to the museum in years, but I recall three featured locomotives that could be worthy of Vision Line status... the K4, an E6... or a GG1.  Any of these would be a refreshing depart from the more typical "big steam" offering.

 

David 

Vision line gg1

I'd go for the E6, that's a great looking loco but I'd pass on a K4 or s GG1 since neither would see much track time on my layout

I think it is great that someone is trying new marketing ideas to stimulate and break away from the old ways of the past. In this case, Lionel obviously has some reason to use the PRR museum instead of the TCA museum so yes, a PRR item is probably the choice.

 

However, some have asked for a Vision Line GG1. If one reads (and many here have not) the original Vision Line manifesto, the GG1 could have been considered a Vision Line product at the time. What feature could be added to make the GG1 a Vision Line product in today’s market?

 

I do think a really nice K4 is needed, but again, what feature could be added to make it a Vision Line engine?

I am not totally familiar with the museum pieces, can someone point to an item that has not been done or is in need of a total Vision line upgrade?

 

Thanks,

Charlie

Vision PRR T-1?

That's what I was thinking too, Charlie.  I recently purchased two brand new JLC-class GG1's in the past year or so.  One for $599 (the silver Pennsy to head up a Congressional passenger train w/18" aluminum cars) and the other for $450 (the green #4925 Pennsy to head up a train of 18" Madison cars from the 50th Anniversary Set re-issue).  

 

At those prices, it's pretty safe to say any new GG1 offering will exceed what I paid for both in total.  The original JLC GG1's (circa 2005-ish) had an $899 MSRP. 

 

The JLC GG1's are superb in detail, features and operational smoothness under Legacy.  So I can't think of any upgrade(s) they "need"... aside from an IR sensor that all the high-end locos are getting nowadays.

 

Which brings us back to steam.   Perhaps this new VL offering will be Lionel's first entrée into a non-articulated VL steam?  But with the FEF-3 (non-VL) recently offered at $1699 MSRP, how much will a medium-sized VL steamer set us back?

 

David

Good choice... and we're back in Lionel's VL "comfort zone" of big steam.

 

David

All this speculation. Most of it probably wrong. But it's fun.

 

It really is just much easier to go. But then you have to wait.

 

What to do? What to do?

 

Gerry

I know what it is!

 

 

A Vision Line Thomas the Tank! The vision part is that it can see! :-)

 

 

Ok, I have no idea.......

Having produced millions of Pennsylvania RR items already, I indeed suppose that it is considered newsworthy and thrilling that Lionel, long beholden to this geographic sliver, will trumpet the release of yet another PRR train to great fanfare at a PRR museum. On an added note, apparently, one can never have too many PRR cabooses either. There are no fewer than 5 of them in different permutations on pages 68-69 of the latest Lionel catalog.

Charlie,

By jove! I think you have it!

 

I have no idea either

 

Ed Boyle

Partner

Special Projects Editor

O Gauge Railroading magazine

It is the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, not the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum, so it is possible (but admittedly not likely) that it could be from another railroad that operates or operated in Pennsylvania.  If it were, I think it would most likely be the Reading or Conrail.

I was hoping for a UP Big Blow Gas Turbine in all die-cast construction. 

 

Looks like I might have to continue the wait...

Here is the link for the museum's roster:

 

http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/abou...locomotiveroster.htm

 

I'm betting on the L1s .....decent size to accommodate all the features without being overwhelming. 

It cost to enter the  Museum, it  is not free .  So Who is paying the  admission into the museum ,or are TCA members free?

Originally Posted by PGentieu:

Good point!  Lots of possibilities.  It could even be the infamous Penn Central!!!  

 

David

I  would like to see the PRR duplex S-1 redone in a  vision line engine.

 

 

Valid point. However to me the only reason to justify moving the announcement to the museum is that it will be something that is on display there regardless of road name.

Exactly, which is why I originally mentioned the E6, K4 and GG1.  Of course, there are a few others too (see the roster link above), but these three are considered "featured" locomotives at the museum.  But anything is always possible.

 

David

Can't say I know what the difference is but the museum website says they have a E7 not a E6. This would be a logical choice since they could also do other road names in addition to PRR

 

Did someone say Warbonnet?

I would be in for a K-4.

 

Brad

Obviously you need to pay.

 

If you don't want to, you can go to the TCA museum (4 o clock I believe, but check the schedule) and hear the announcement then.

 

(You don't really think they will announce at 1 PM down the street and then say nothing about the new item at the TCA Museum, do you?)

 

The announcement doesn't say Lionel will not be at the TCA Museum, just that there will be a special announcement down the street at 1 PM.

 

 

-Dave

They have and E6 and and E7

Didn't notice that, thanks

Basically, it's all in the nose.

 

E6 (also E3 and E4) on top, E7 on the bottom.

 

There were also internal differences, but the Pennsy never had E6's.

 

Rusty

I believe the Pennsy E-unit on display is an E7, not an E6. It is the only E7 left in the United States, I believe. Bennett Levin has 2 Pennsy E8s as well. There are 3 remaining E6s, but none in PA.

 

I'm not into Pennsy equipment, but my vote is a scale VL GG1.

Maybe it will be from the Jersey Central. They operated in PA

No one knows but LIONEL 

but it's fun to guess

It's a trick to fuel speculation by announcing at the museum.

 

I'm guessing the announcement will be the new Vision Line #60 Trolley!   

I love that everyone is excited about this! We'll all find out together on Wednesday! See everyone at the museum. 

 

That could be a cool update.

 

Maybe with Legacy. Or instead of mechanical bumpers, optical sensors that can sense impending collision and reverse the direction without contact.

 

Of course this #60 trolley would probably cost $300-$400 (minimum, with the Vision tag). 

 

That would probably then lead to all # 60 type trolleys being listed at $250 or more, so maybe this isn't such a good idea after all!

 

-Dave

I heard its Lackawanna

 

It is an Allegheny H-8

Blowdown

Steam chest emission

Boiler speakers

Steam appliance

Depleting coal

Ultra detail

Enhanced sound

MSRP $2,599

Get those credit card balances down fellas

 

Of course, it could be the return of . . . . . 

 

 

 

I hope its a L1 Decapod or E6 Atlantic, but Ill think out of the box and say a Metroliner Set in PRR/PC/Amtrak. Hey, you never know!!

Nah, they're bringing back the Commodore Vanderbilt as a Vision line engine. The PRR is just a cover for it.

Or better yet....

 

NYC Dreyfuss Hudson with ENGINE SPECIFIC crewtalk and towercom. Would I buy it, well....

Thanks for making this special Lionel event happen, Alan.  Nice job.

How 'bout a new arrival?

 

Vision Line AEM-7.

I'm Hoping it's either a NYC Niagara, or NYC Dreyfus Hudson

 

 

Alex