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Of course, I'm gonna vote for the Alco RSD1 export model, complete with Euro slant cab and fabricated six axle trucks.  OK, so it's of Yankee origin, but these baddies are most associated with the Motherland during the Great Patriotic War...and became the prototypes for the first homebuilt Diesels ...b Rodina ! Can I get a big Dah, comrade!

Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

The German V60 Class has an enthusiastic following. Another European diesel which comes to mind is the V200 Class:

 

 

 

Both locomotives have been staples in the Marklin range for years and appear to enjoy virtually iconic status.

 

Bob

Sure they are having an iconic status. As a kid, if you were blessed, a Marklin V200 made you the number one of the school yard. And a Trix V200, or V100 (looks like an extended V60 on bogies) made you a good second, as these were cheaper and more affordable to parents.

I do remember one lucky guy. His parents had a short vacation in Germany. And they came back with The Present.

We all knew when his dad would return, and we were all waiting in front of his house.

I can still see that Volkswagen parking. The street was sunny and quiet, apart from that particular sound of the VW engine.  The boy's mother gave him his promised gift, she was holding the box in her hand while she was stepping out of the Beetle.

He was that overjoyed that he opened the box immediately, crouching on the pavement.

There it was: that exotic luxury coming from a country we've only heard of.

He surely wasn't the most popular guy, but that Marklin train made him a king for the moment. Well, feelings were mixed.

His parents brought him a real Lederhose too.

In these days you just had to wear what your mother bought you. So he went into the house. Shortly afterwards he came out again, with his train and in his panties.

The Hose was made of green leather, with red trimming, and a deer imprint on the suspenders. Without his train he would have been lost I guess.

 

Kieffer

Here's a European diesel with North American styling:

 

NOHAB

 

Built by Nydqvist & Holm AB (NOHAB) under license from General Motors, the locomotive features a double ended carbody design with lines inspired by North American practice. At one time, MTH actually announced intentions to produce an O scale model but unfortunately cancelled it due to a lack of orders.

 

Bob   

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Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

 

Built by Nydqvist & Holm AB (NOHAB) under license from General Motors, the locomotive features a double ended carbody design with lines inspired by North American practice. At one time, MTH actually announced intentions to produce an O scale model but unfortunately cancelled it due to a lack of orders.

 

Bob   

Yes. They were all over the place actually, as Belgian, Danish, Hungarian, Luxembourgian railways had them. It's one of my favoured designs.

In HO they are all at present in different liveries but in O gauge I only slightly remember a Class 64 or something, Belgian. Made in limited edition by some local manufacturer, I think some passionate owner of a train shop that was.

Pity no one ever tried the NOHAB. It wouldn't misfit on an American lay out.

I think Lionel ever had a prototype, or two, a Pennsylvania and a NY Central.

 

Kieffer

Hi folks,

The German company, MBW just came out with a German V200. I just received mine and ran it for the first time last night. Absolutely magnificent. It is two rail, fully DCC equipped and just a marvel.

About five years ago Heljan of Denmark came out with two different color variants of the Nohab in DSB. Nice locomotive but no decoder and no place to plug one in.

All the best,

Miketg

Originally Posted by Miketg:

Hi folks,

The German company, MBW just came out with a German V200. I just received mine and ran it for the first time last night. Absolutely magnificent. It is two rail, fully DCC equipped and just a marvel.

About five years ago Heljan of Denmark came out with two different color variants of the Nohab in DSB. Nice locomotive but no decoder and no place to plug one in.

All the best,

Miketg

@Miketg..well after your V60...you're sure building yourself a superb collection of amazing model..glad you enjoy it...seem everyone who bought/ own/see one is blow away by it...funny how a company with their 1st model can set such a high standard, some other could learn from it..!!!

 

For anyone interested video of the V200 have been posted in this thread

 

https://ogrforum.com/d...nt/12129987968461056

 

Sincerely,

NOHAB locomotives in various painting schemes exist even today in many European countries, such as N, DK, S, D, B, L, H and in Kosovo (ex-YU)  in state rwy., in private rwy. and in museum service.
For MTH it would be a good business. Of course, there are also other endcab, centercab and hood diesels in Europe for MTH business. Myself I prefer the exported Alco diesels, such as the DL-500C
which is a stretched FA-2 on 3-axle trucks and which can be found in Spain, Greece, Pakistan, India, Peru, Brazil and Argentina. If the tooling exist for FA-2, then it would be easy for MTH to do the ALCO DL-500C to enter into the BRIC markets.

Originally Posted by kieffer:
Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

Built by Nydqvist & Holm AB (NOHAB) under license from General Motors, the locomotive features a double ended carbody design with lines inspired by North American practice. At one time, MTH actually announced intentions to produce an O scale model but unfortunately cancelled it due to a lack of orders.

Bob  
Yes. They were all over the place actually, as Belgian, Danish, Hungarian, Luxembourgian railways had them. It's one of my favoured designs.
In HO they are all at present in different liveries but in O gauge I only slightly remember a Class 64 or something, Belgian. Made in limited edition by some local manufacturer, I think some passionate owner of a train shop that was.
Pity no one ever tried the NOHAB. It wouldn't misfit on an American lay out.
I think Lionel ever had a prototype, or two, a Pennsylvania and a NY Central.

Kieffer


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Last edited by BetaNuSigmaPhi
In my opinion it makes no sense to compete against the established Lenz in the EU-2-rail business by launching another V60 product.
Instead MTH could produce many other European endcab and hood diesels for 2- and 3-rail Continental European markets in 1:45 scale.
 
Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

The German V60 Class has an enthusiastic following. 

The European diesel locomotives can be divided into several easily identifiable categories, such as...

A. shunters/switchers with coupling rod

shunters

a. 4-wheel/2-axled like DRG V20 by Lenz

b. 6-wheel/3-axled like DB V36 by Lenz or DB V60 by Lenz

c. 8-wheel/4-axled like DR V65 by MBW

B. center cab diesels with trucks

a. 8-wheel/4-axled like DB V80 by MBW or DB V100 by Lenz

b. 12-wheel/6-axled

C. hood diesels with trucks

a. 8-wheel/4-axled like RENFE 308

b. 12-wheel/6-axled like HZ2061 or RENFE 319 Americana (EMD G16 export version)

D. end cab diesels with trucks

a. 8-wheel/4-axled like DB V160 by Lenz or DB V200 by MBW

b. 12-wheel/6-axled like NOHAB by NJM or Ludmilla by Kiss or or DB V320 by MBW

 

For some of the above mentioned categories already exist few 2-rail O-scale models, mainly DCC or analog DC, but no 3-rail O-gauge DCS/TMCC/Legacy versions unfortunately, because this narrow market segment exclusively for demanding high budget hobbyists is naturally controlled by German manufacturers (Brawa, Wunder, Demko, Hubner, Kiss, MBW, etc.) and dominated by Lenz.

 

Commercially there would be some space for MTH (in cooperation with Busch) to launch few selective European vintage and modern diesel locomotive models.

 

Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:

b. 12-wheel/6-axled like NOHAB by NJM ........ or DB V320 by MBW

"Unfortunately" the V320 is being done by MBW in Ga 1, not 0 -- at least so far, unless you know something I don't.

The Nohabs were also done in plastic by Heljan before they moved to British prototypes;  this and the poor selection of road names [ a tradition continued by some of the MTH Traxx models ] doomed the MTH Nohab.

 

Best, SZ

You are right Eiszeit, it was my mistake about the DB V320.
 
Yes, Heljan's focus is now on the British O-scale (1:43) diesels, which is an isolated market segment with different customer demands. Hopefully it is a profitable business for them. Too bad for the Continental European O-scale (1:45) model railroaders.
 
In the MTH/Busch product catalog there is a gap between European steam and European electric (Crocodile, TRAXX, Taurus, etc.) , namely the European diesels.  
 
Originally Posted by Steinzeit:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:

b. 12-wheel/6-axled like NOHAB by NJM ........ or DB V320 by MBW

"Unfortunately" the V320 is being done by MBW in Ga 1, not 0 -- at least so far, unless you know something I don't.

The Nohabs were also done in plastic by Heljan before they moved to British prototypes;  this and the poor selection of road names [ a tradition continued by some of the MTH Traxx models ] doomed the MTH Nohab.

 

Best, SZ

 

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