Williams now have listed the Baldwin 4-6-0

Who'll be the first to make an inclined steam chest modification???

I wonder what the Ma&Pa Junction price will be?

Road Name: Santa Fe

Product Information


Features include:

· engine and tender length, 18.5"

· navigates O-27 curves

· die-cast boiler and chassis

· powerful motor with flywheel coasting action

· traction tires

· operating headlight

· operating rear coupler

· operating smoke unit

· True Blast II™ whistle and bell

First new steamer I'll get in a while.....

I wonder what the street price will be. It may be a good one for the 64' MTH coaches.

I think the C&O with the Russian Iron boiler jacket has my name on it.

Interesting that the Phase V (current) scheme Genesis is still without an image. I am also interested in this one.

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It may be a good one for the 64' MTH coaches.

Wondered if any one else was thinking that!!! I picked up a set of those when Jimmy was closing down....and needed a reasonably priced period loco. I'll get the ATSF and repaint...or the C&O and leave as is.

BTW...street price looks like $160 Dec delivery

Pricing is attractive, but I'll wait until I see a photo of the actual production engine. I'm still hoping they will fix the clunky looking side rods, although I've given up hope for a smaller tender. Probably I can pick up something on eBay and adapt it - old brass tenders show up pretty often.

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Originally posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
Pricing is attractive, but I'll wait until I see a photo of the actual production engine. I'm still hoping they will fix the clunky looking side rods, although I've given up hope for a smaller tender. Probably I can pick up something on eBay and adapt it - old brass tenders show up pretty often.

The tender does appear way oversized, so it will be easy to fit command. My guess is it needed to be that size just to house the reverse and sound boards and speaker.Darkening the side rods will help.

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I've given up hope for a smaller tender. Probably I can pick up something on eBay and adapt it

I have a extra AHM/Rivirossi Casey Jones tender that may work well. We'll see in DEC......

Wholesale Trains has it listed for $160, but not available until Dec/11/2011.

Looking at the drawings of Seaboard's Ten-wheelers they were approx 62 feet long including tender, which was approx 25 feet in length.

WBB site has the overall length at 18.5 inches or 74 feet long. If the engine is correct then the tender could possibly be 3" too long. All guesswork at this point, but it does look a little long (maybe due to the electronics?).

Looks like the perfect locomotive to re-paint and add command and rails sounds too. It would be a great locomotive to pull my local passenger trains on my layout.

My thought is that the oversized tender (too long, too wide, and too high) is from the semi-scale K-Line Pacific locos. I'm thinking that Bachmann got those molds and used them to defray tooling costs on this loco.

The sample loco that was at the NMRA convention looked to have a nice big motor in it. I'm looking forward to kit-bashing this loco.There are some other tenders in my project pile, so this should be fun.

I have a Railking 4-6-0 a little more modern version. Has sound, runs great.
San Fernando Valley CA.

If the tender is so over sized why couldn't they put a decent sound system in? Is the smoke the same old dumb Sleuth? Considering that almost all the complaints I read about operational difficulties with WBB involve their steamers I would wait for some reviews before purchasing one. But the sound and smoke could simply put me off. I don't want to sound too negative, and maybe its because I have perhaps way too many trains, but I'm in no urge to buy. And not to hijack this thread at all, but I'm simply tired of buying Made in China. The only alternative to not buying Made in China is simply, and unfortunately, not to buy. I know Weaver makes some things here, but it's really not a very broad line. What would make me want to buy the engine is just the novelty of having something different - which is fun in itself.
Alan

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Originally posted by ajzend:
If the tender is so over sized why couldn't they put a decent sound system in? Is the smoke the same old dumb Sleuth? Considering that almost all the complaints I read about operational difficulties with WBB involve their steamers I would wait for some reviews before purchasing one. But the sound and smoke could simply put me off. I don't want to sound too negative, and maybe its because I have perhaps way too many trains, but I'm in no urge to buy. And not to hijack this thread at all, but I'm simply tired of buying Made in China. The only alternative to not buying Made in China is simply, and unfortunately, not to buy. I know Weaver makes some things here, but it's really not a very broad line. What would make me want to buy the engine is just the novelty of having something different - which is fun in itself.
Alan

Simple answer:
COST

Tender does seem a little bit odd for this engine. It would be cool to have a smaller one with wood stacked in it.
This would be a prime candidate for 'kit bashing' project, then send it off to ERR for command and sound.

I will purchase one[a black one]and make cosmetic modiifications to more closely replicate an Atlantic & Yadkin Passenger Ten Wheeler[formerly RF&P]. For historical display only in my hometown's restored general store Town Hall along with a modified Weaver 2-8-0 Consolidation and Brother Love's custom made A&Y Cabooses, etc. Women[impatient women]of the Town History Committee[boomers all] are now focused on the town's railroad history and since few photos exist want models. I tried HO because I have very detailed HO 1970s brass versions but they say, "too tiny".
Will have to cut off the head light requiring a little auto-type bodywork on the diecast and then find a headlight and Cal Scale shelf to mount the headlight on smokebox door center. Then relocate the bell to top front of the smokebox.
As Dave already noted it will help to blacken the rods/linkage and if possible find a shorter tender. Running and sound innards are not important--it will be displayed on 2 rail track anyway.

Does anyone know if these have metal gears? I heard at my LHS that WBB was putting in plastic gears on their locos but wasn't sure if it was true.

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Originally posted by J Daddy:
Tender does seem a little bit odd for this engine. It would be cool to have a smaller one with wood stacked in it.
This would be a prime candidate for 'kit bashing' project, then send it off to ERR for command and sound.

I'm thinking about a wood load too. I have some Bachmann ON30 steamers, and they come with a choice of wood or coal load. Mine all have the coal fitted so I can use the wood on the Baldwin.

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Originally posted by Lennyski:
Does anyone know if these have metal gears? I heard at my LHS that WBB was putting in plastic gears on their locos but wasn't sure if it was true.

If Williams are true to form, whatever it has, it will run forever.

If you burn wood the Forest Service will require a balloon stack-no?

I'm a little disappointed in the 4-6-0. While I think I can understand WBB's rational for the locomotive, it's not the little jewel the HO version is:



While it didn't expect it to be an exact copy of the HO version, I would wish it was a little closer.

Rusty

Rusty, the HO or On30 is a great loco to use as a model to upgrade the Williams with extra detail.

I think some people are forgetting the fact that WBB needed a starter-set steam loco, and by that measure this looks like a nice engine. Now, will they do something like that nice Spectrum HO 4-6-0 in 3-rail? Very little cast-in detail on that beauty. Their recent choice of former K-Line molds for the abandoned 2-8-2 makes me wonder if they think 3-railers largely don't care about that level of detail.

I looked at the preproduction sample WBB had on display at York. If WBB was trying to produce a low cost starter-set steam engine then they succeeded. It looked like all the detail was cast in. I didn't care for the lack of detail on the pilot or the cast in brake cylinders at the rear of the frame. The side rods look like something you would find on a cheap battery powered toy loco.

I'll pass on the engine as its just too crude for my tastes, but I'm sure it will appeal to many others as it is inexpensive, will run on tight radius track, and I'm sure will have Williams' great reliability.

Ken

Ken,

How would it compare to a RailKing engine as far as detail, looks, etc?

I was looking at their On30 engines and thought why didn't they copy that? I like the fact that on their On30 stuff they come with interchangeable parts (at least that's what I gather from the photos on their site).

I have always been a fan of 10 wheelers as I saw several of them in the flat lands of Kansas as a youngster pulling passenger consists. The last one I saw was sitting beside a building in Concordia, Ks. It was a Mop unit and I regreat not going over and checking it out.
In the thirties, the Mop ran a passenger from Wichita to Larned Ks. pulled by a 10 wheeler and called the Sandburrflyer by the locals.
Al

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Originally posted by Bob Delbridge:
Ken,

How would it compare to a RailKing engine as far as detail, looks, etc?

I was looking at their On30 engines and thought why didn't they copy that? I like the fact that on their On30 stuff they come with interchangeable parts (at least that's what I gather from the photos on their site).

Because the price point they were looking for would not have been attainable with the level of detail the ON30 4-6-0 has. I do love my ET&WNC 4-6-0. It runs and looks great.

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Originally posted by Bob Delbridge:
Ken,

How would it compare to a RailKing engine as far as detail, looks, etc?

I was looking at their On30 engines and thought why didn't they copy that? I like the fact that on their On30 stuff they come with interchangeable parts (at least that's what I gather from the photos on their site).

I'd say its generally on par with MTH's Railking 2-8-0's. That is except for the siderods - they just look bad. Although it follows the lines of Bachmann's other scale 4-6-0's, the WBB 4-6-0 is greatly simplified. The paint job on the C&O version looked very good.

Ken

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Originally posted by Bob Delbridge:
Ken,

How would it compare to a RailKing engine as far as detail, looks, etc?

I was looking at their On30 engines and thought why didn't they copy that? I like the fact that on their On30 stuff they come with interchangeable parts (at least that's what I gather from the photos on their site).

First, the Bachmann On30 4-6-0 is a narrow gauge locomotive, a large-ish narrow gauge locomotive perhaps, but still a much smaller model.

Second, even the Micro-Mark price for the non-sound On30 4-6-0 is higher than the MSRP for the WBB 4-6-0.

Rusty

Thanks guys! Rusty, I wasn't sure if the On30 body was smaller or not, I've never seen one or one side-by-side to a standard O-scale engine.

That's a shame, I almost got one of the MTH RTR 4-6-0 sets but didn't. now I guess I'll be on the lookout for one. Maybe double the price of the WBB engine, but that's for a complete set plus it comes with PS2.

$120.00 for a plain MTH version.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTH-Sa...&hash=item43aab7b0b8

Harleyhouse, interesting to look at that MTH model. It has very little detail either and the tender looks massive. I think the new WBB would be better.

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$120.00 for a plain MTH version.

I have that one too. A decent little loco. Hate the air whistle....prefer none over that. The MTH tender is every bit oversized as the WBB unit. The MTH drive rods are very simplified too. So used VS new, air VS digital I'd spend the $40 for the WBB unit in C&O paint.

I plan to either get the ATSF or UP version and custom letter it.

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I wasn't sure if the On30 body was smaller or not, I've never seen one or one side-by-side to a standard O-scale engine.

Here are a few pics of On30 vs O standard locos. No really direct comparison...If I have time I'll pull them out and take some new pics.

O scale Wyanns vs Bachman big 4-4-0 On30 loco



A MTH RK 2-6-0 vs the Wyanns...so the On30 is very small. The On30 4-6-0 is big....but not enough to share anything with an O loco.

Thanks Dave for the comparison photos!

Looking at the Richard Prince book on Seaboard locos one photo caption says "with larger tender", but it's taken at less than a 3/4 view co I can't tell just how large it is. Looking at the other photos the tenders are smaller, so much that the distance between the 2 trucks is very small (maybe 6-12 inches).

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Originally posted by CandO:
I plan to either get the ATSF or UP version and custom letter it.

I thought the C&O was the best looking one Keith. Are you not the Ultimate C&O man?

John, I thought so too, re Keith and the C&O. I'll go for the C&O and maybe another. I think a bit of nice copper pipe detailing and a few other things and these locos will look great. I also am going to try the Train Engineer control in it.