Woodland Scenic Incline Question

Not sure why you'd double the width? They make them for O gauge. If you want wider, build them out with plaster cloth and whatever junk you have lying around. The O gauge inclines themselves are perfectly wide enough to support roadbed, track and trains.

Terry Danks posted:

Not sure why you'd double the width? They make them for O gauge. If you want wider, build them out with plaster cloth and whatever junk you have lying around. The O gauge inclines themselves are perfectly wide enough to support roadbed, track and trains.

Terry - the Atlas track width is about 2 1/2 inches wide - as is the styrofoam incline - I thought there should be a bit more "overhang" (maybe 3 1/2 inches).  You mentioned "They make them for O gauge" - do they come in a wider width??

Paul

Hi Paul:

I think that's as wide as they come. I had no difficulty with them. AFAIAC, they are perfectly wide enough. Here's a shot of my using them under construction.

and after . . .

Both the two rear tracks here have WS inclines under them.

Terry - thanx for the pics - they really helped me visualize how they would look.  How did you fasten the track down?  Did you use cork for your roadbed on the incline or the WS roadbed?

Paul

Woodland Scenics actually recommends using 2 side by side for O-gauge applications.  They mention using a single for HO.

I only used 1 width but had to due to space constraints.

I used the WS foam roadbed. I used a cheap construction adhesive (foam compatible type) to glue everything in place. Note that white glue does not work well on foam although the dilute white glue mix to fix the ballast in place seems enough to hold the track too.  I glued the inclines to the foam sheeting atop my plywood and then glued the foam roadbed to the inclines. I did not glue the track to the roadbed . . . intentionally. But the fixed ballast effectively does glue the track down.

I spent a fortune on these inclines as it was. Doubling them would not be an attractive idea economically. Where I needed wider, I widened them myself by gluing scrap pieces of foam to the sides of the inclines.

Sparky74 posted:

Woodland Scenics actually recommends using 2 side by side for O-gauge applications.  They mention using a single for HO.

I only used 1 width but had to due to space constraints.

Thanx Sparky!  As Terry suggested I think I might be able to get away with a single coarse as opposed to doubling them up.  Trying to keep down the cost.

Paul

Terry Danks posted:

I used the WS foam roadbed. I used a cheap construction adhesive (foam compatible type) to glue everything in place. Note that white glue does not work well on foam although the dilute white glue mix to fix the ballast in place seems enough to hold the track too.  I glued the inclines to the foam sheeting atop my plywood and then glued the foam roadbed to the inclines. I did not glue the track to the roadbed . . . intentionally. But the fixed ballast effectively does glue the track down.

I spent a fortune on these inclines as it was. Doubling them would not be an attractive idea economically. Where I needed wider, I widened them myself by gluing scrap pieces of foam to the sides of the inclines.

Terry - I agree - it would be doubling the cost so I'll try to use a single coarse.  Thanx for the tips on glueing.  

Paul

Harleylito posted:

Sparky74 posted:

Woodland Scenics actually recommends using 2 side by side for O-gauge applications.  They mention using a single for HO.

I only used 1 width but had to due to space constraints.

Thanx Sparky!  As Terry suggested I think I might be able to get away with a single coarse as opposed to doubling them up.  Trying to keep down the cost.

Paul

Hopefully these pics help you out. 

Thanx Sparky - I plan to use cork roadbed also - how did you fasten to the styrofoam incline??

Paul

I used two inclines side by side as recommend by Woodland Scenics.  Wood glued them in place.  Put some thin plywood in the area that I screwed the track too.  Lionel Fastrac is what I used.  Then cover the top along with building up the sides.  No problems yet.

My last layout I used them doubled up, but I was also using Fastrack.

I am using Gargraves this time around and only have used a single this time.  I also have used plaster cloth over the incline.  I will then use a bit glue under a few ties to hold it down until  I ballast the track.  

Here is a short video where the incline has been ballasted.  As you can see the track moves around a bit because it is not attached to the incline yet. 

Macaroni posted:

I used two inclines side by side as recommend by Woodland Scenics.  Wood glued them in place.  Put some thin plywood in the area that I screwed the track too.  Lionel Fastrac is what I used.  Then cover the top along with building up the sides.  No problems yet.

Macaroni - I like your idea of using a thin veneer plywood for screws to secure to.  Adds a lot of extra work but I'm sure it was worth the trouble.

Thanx,

Paul

Jdevleerjr posted:

My last layout I used them doubled up, but I was also using Fastrack.

I am using Gargraves this time around and only have used a single this time.  I also have used plaster cloth over the incline.  I will then use a bit glue under a few ties to hold it down until  I ballast the track.  

Here is a short video where the incline has been ballasted.  As you can see the track moves around a bit because it is not attached to the incline yet. 

Thanx for taking the time for making a video, jdevleerjr!  Looks like the single is the most economical way to go. 

Thanx,

Paul

Harleylito posted:

Thanx Sparky - I plan to use cork roadbed also - how did you fasten to the styrofoam incline??

Paul

I glued the cork roadbed to the incline. Used 1.75" nails to secure track to the roadbed. It could probably be a bit more secure but it is yet to be ballasted. 

Plus I don't run trains too fast on that outer loop due to the curved incline/decline. 

Paul,

If you have to order the inclines, I can offer these. They aren't perfect, but if you're interested, email me. 

John H posted:

Paul,

If you have to order the inclines, I can offer these. They aren't perfect, but if you're interested, email me. 

Hi John - can you tell me what the grade is on them (2%,3% or 4%)???  Also, how high does the top of the incline reach??

Thanx so much,

Paul

The top is 4". I would say they are 4%.

John H posted:

The top is 4". I would say they are 4%.

This is correct. The 4% goes from 0-4" in 8 feet. There are four, 2ft sections. The 2% obviously goes to 2".  I believe there is a 3% incline set as well.

Woodland Scenics also makes straight 2" and 4" risers  

I buy the flat un-sloped ones and use my band saw to cut exactly the height I need.

Sparky74 posted:

John H posted:

The top is 4". I would say they are 4%.

This is correct. The 4% goes from 0-4" in 8 feet. There are four, 2ft sections. The 2% obviously goes to 2".  I believe there is a 3% incline set as well.

Woodland Scenics also makes straight 2" and 4" risers  

 

Sparky - I do know that the 3% inclines rise to a height of 4 or 4 1/2 inches - thanx for confirming.

Paul